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Please, let Windows XP die with dignity

  1. #21


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    There's only one question that bothers me for XP users, and for users of Windows versions that follow, that might need to reactivate their installations after the end of support, will that still be available, or will people be stuffed?
    Hi there

    What happened with with W98 and some other manufacturers such as ADOBE CS2 release - they will set the products as "Abandonware" and supply a generic number that doesn't require activation or will "Self activate".

    Ms doesn't actually have to do it but considering the numbers of XP users involved it *might* go down that route.

    If I were on XP now I'd take a decent BACKUP or create a "generic" activated VM XP installation.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #22


    Joisey
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    Windows 8.1 consumer 64 bit


    Microsoft (and the world!) has a vested interest in getting XP off of the net as soon as possible. Without security updates XP will quickly become an easy target for botnets and the like. There is probably a bank of known vulnerabilities just waiting for support to end, plus there will be new "universal" problems discovered which will be patched for newer versions. These patches will point the way to new, unstoppable exploits on XP.

    These problems will make connected XP computers as hazardous to us all as the zombies are in Walking Dead. A quick shot to the head is in order to improve internet hygiene.
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  3. #23


    ^ Good point, mikeytj. :thumbup:

    I was surprised to read in recent article that people are so lax with antivirus. A lot of them don't even have it installed!
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  4. #24


    Toronto, Canada. Born in the U.K.
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    Win 10 Pro + Win 7 Ult SP1 (x64)


    Those people deserve what they get I'm sorry to say. I remember one supposed authority on computers told me once that he didn't keep an anti-virus on his machine as he "didn't need it". I wonder what happened to him?
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  5. #25


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    A/V stuff is a bit passe now anyway -- the REAL money is made NOT by infecting Mom and POP type computers but by simply exploiting stuff that can't be handled by ANY type of security system. People give out so much rubbish on Facebook / twitter etc and reply to obvious email phishing scams that ANY A/V wouldn't help them in the slightest.

    I'll bet any serious Hacker out there could probably just by gleaning data of Twitter and facebook could get hold of quite a few Bank account numbers and valid pin numbers if they wanted to.

    If you've got an old XP computer say running a legacy Machine tool - who cares if someone can get every last piece of info out of that machine.

    Sometimes this stuff is done to death -- My Dad (over 80) is STILL running an XP machine - he's never had any AV stuff on his computer and never been infected in his life - and guess what - he couldn't give fig even if his computer were to become riddled with viruses . He'll get round to buying a new one when he wants to or the old one breaks - but currently like a whole slew of people he just can't be bothered.

    Hackers these days are much more into trying to bring down corporate networks, get into the CIA's data bases or generally cause havoc and mayhem to big business / or govts. They aren't interested in filching 5 USD from some OAP's account. The other group who are interested in cyber crime in a big way also have much bigger fish to fry.

    The heyday of AV and computer protection was around 2 or 3 years ago -- now it's not a serious issue any more for people -- in any case modern Windows has a perfectly good built in AV system.

    I'd be a lot more anxious if I lost a phone --there's often a HUGE amount of personal data stored on smart phones these days.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. #26


    United States
    Posts : 3,093
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit


    Bring back DOS,Windows 3.1, 95!!! Oh, that's right, there is DosBox and VMWare Player. Never mind.
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  7. #27


    Portsmouth Hants
    Posts : 772
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Funnily enough I have just seen a machine with XP Home that had started running slowly, so that the owner did a Malwarebytes scan - and filled up the partition of 16GB with 1.3 GB quarantined files to make it unusable, so the scan had to be stopped - there were over 18000 objects reported as infected, and 14,000 quarantine files! It was running Microsoft Security Essentials - with no indication of any infection.

    The agent responsible was identified by MalwareBytes as Spyware.OnlineGames.

    Using Avast on a Windows to Go stick found nothing, and a Malwarebytes scan on the same stick is finding nothing so far, as it ploughs through the quarantine folder contents. Perhaps the original scan caught everything.
    The machine, an old Acer Travelmate, bought in 2006, was given a factory recovery reinstall in 2010, and has never had a major malware incident before.
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  8. #28


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    A/V stuff is a bit passe now anyway -- the REAL money is made NOT by infecting Mom and POP type computers but by simply exploiting stuff that can't be handled by ANY type of security system. People give out so much rubbish on Facebook / twitter etc and reply to obvious email phishing scams that ANY A/V wouldn't help them in the slightest.

    I'll bet any serious Hacker out there could probably just by gleaning data of Twitter and facebook could get hold of quite a few Bank account numbers and valid pin numbers if they wanted to.

    If you've got an old XP computer say running a legacy Machine tool - who cares if someone can get every last piece of info out of that machine.

    Sometimes this stuff is done to death -- My Dad (over 80) is STILL running an XP machine - he's never had any AV stuff on his computer and never been infected in his life - and guess what - he couldn't give fig even if his computer were to become riddled with viruses . He'll get round to buying a new one when he wants to or the old one breaks - but currently like a whole slew of people he just can't be bothered.

    Hackers these days are much more into trying to bring down corporate networks, get into the CIA's data bases or generally cause havoc and mayhem to big business / or govts. They aren't interested in filching 5 USD from some OAP's account. The other group who are interested in cyber crime in a big way also have much bigger fish to fry.

    The heyday of AV and computer protection was around 2 or 3 years ago -- now it's not a serious issue any more for people -- in any case modern Windows has a perfectly good built in AV system.

    I'd be a lot more anxious if I lost a phone --there's often a HUGE amount of personal data stored on smart phones these days.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Well, all of it depends a lot of way somebody uses computer and internet. I do get around on internet and have all kinds of USB memory sticks, CDs, DVDs and such go thru my system daily and not a day passes that my AVs do not react. If it's not for that protection it would be dead in couple of days for sure. I also have much more to loose if I lost stuff from my PC than for instance the phone. I know better than to leave anything sensitive on the phone because I know it can be lost but I nave to keep all that stuff somewhere so it has to be protected to maximum, double backups and all.
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  9. #29


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    A/V stuff is a bit passe now anyway -- the REAL money is made NOT by infecting Mom and POP type computers but by simply exploiting stuff that can't be handled by ANY type of security system. People give out so much rubbish on Facebook / twitter etc and reply to obvious email phishing scams that ANY A/V wouldn't help them in the slightest.

    I'll bet any serious Hacker out there could probably just by gleaning data of Twitter and facebook could get hold of quite a few Bank account numbers and valid pin numbers if they wanted to.

    If you've got an old XP computer say running a legacy Machine tool - who cares if someone can get every last piece of info out of that machine.

    Sometimes this stuff is done to death -- My Dad (over 80) is STILL running an XP machine - he's never had any AV stuff on his computer and never been infected in his life - and guess what - he couldn't give fig even if his computer were to become riddled with viruses . He'll get round to buying a new one when he wants to or the old one breaks - but currently like a whole slew of people he just can't be bothered.

    Hackers these days are much more into trying to bring down corporate networks, get into the CIA's data bases or generally cause havoc and mayhem to big business / or govts. They aren't interested in filching 5 USD from some OAP's account. The other group who are interested in cyber crime in a big way also have much bigger fish to fry.

    The heyday of AV and computer protection was around 2 or 3 years ago -- now it's not a serious issue any more for people -- in any case modern Windows has a perfectly good built in AV system.

    I'd be a lot more anxious if I lost a phone --there's often a HUGE amount of personal data stored on smart phones these days.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Well, all of it depends a lot of way somebody uses computer and internet. I do get around on internet and have all kinds of USB memory sticks, CDs, DVDs and such go thru my system daily and not a day passes that my AVs do not react. If it's not for that protection it would be dead in couple of days for sure. I also have much more to loose if I lost stuff from my PC than for instance the phone. I know better than to leave anything sensitive on the phone because I know it can be lost but I nave to keep all that stuff somewhere so it has to be protected to maximum, double backups and all.
    Hi there
    What on EARTH are you doing on your machine(s) - if you are getting infected so often you must be doing something wrong IMO.

    I've downloaded a few US TV episodes from shows like COVERT AFFAIRS etc from places like TBP and Fenopy and never had a smidgen of a virus. All I've got installed on windows 8.1 is the standard Ms Windows defender AV system (it's NOT the same as Windows defender on W7 as it's a full AV system and works pretty reliably-- I've never had issues with it).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #30


    Well, that's just it, I do NOT get infected, because of AV (in this case Avast), McShield (for protection of USB memories) etc. I do get on internet a lot, downloading and testing programs and games and a lot of stuff from USB mems, coming from a lot of people and schools and they are usually chock full of nasty stuff because people do not know how to protect their systems. To somebody computers might be toys but I work with them much more than just play games and watch occasional show. I also repair and troubleshoot computers so my test and repair CDs and USB memories have to be totally clean with no hint of malware. All that requires much more serious protection than just Defender.
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