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  1. #81


    Southern California
    Posts : 788
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center x64


    All 2 of my computers I own are 8. My immediate family owns Vista. Aside from the flare that 8 has, Vista is just as good as 7 (minus the IE updates, which it doesn't get). It had a sluggish start (usually happens when you introduce a new tech. I hear Edison tested his light bulb a few times). I wont sell you on Vista (I like 8 best), but it is far better than XP, and just a tad under 7. Any prior issues have since been fixed, and like the Mohave Experiment, word-of-mouth should be tested first.

    Everything on the internet is fact. what?


    But that is a pretty funny experiment (that I didn't previously know about); I know I succumb to the influence of others more than I even realize. I'm sure we all do.

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  2. #82


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    I can install a start menu. I have installed this now on 6 of my friends and families computers for them.. Everyone of them has liked the OS more with the 3rd party app than without. All had been using the OS for at least a week before I installed the start menu for them. I believe what I believe and obviously that is a subjective thing. Still, most out there agree. You folks are the minority. A year later you are still the minority. No poll out there says otherwise. The Avg user does not know how to restore the start menu with 3rd party apps which is the main reason I say that they should not have to. They should not have to resort to 3rd party apps that change the look and feel for something like this..


    To someone's prior point regarding ISO. If MS had supported ISO for years and suddenly stopped, then you would have a valid point. It would be a more valid comparison.. None of this is make or break for me. It is not like I am unable to use the OS as vanilla. Part of why I have intentionally chosen to not use 3rd party start menu up to now is that I really want to grow to like the start screen.. It just has not happened up to now. I am sick of typing on this subject.. It would be far better to carry on a conversation with someone who thought replacing the start menu with the start screen was a good move, I just have been unsuccessful in meeting a person who feels this way up to now. Enjoy folks!! I am glad you like it! I truly am...
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  3. #83


    Southern California
    Posts : 788
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center x64


    ^ You might prefer a start menu to a start screen, and I'm sure you heard this before, but the update will bring back the start button.

    Admittedly, it is a very difficult learning curve, especially for the older folks (who, in my opinion, never truly learned the XP OS to begin with. I still help them do simple things on XP or 7. For example, to install a program is harder than rocks).

    Once I explain how to do certain tasks, whether XP, 7, or 8, they usually don't care how the steps take them to a place, they only care about getting there. This start menu/screen problem is only a problem for people who hate change (in this situation). Which is understandable when you get used to something. We are creatures of habit, and tend to hate changing something that 'works' in our opinion. It is a new operating system. Install 3rd party programs to modify it! Or don't! You are in control. But the creaters of the OS do not have to make every single OS similar because previous people are used to it. I congratulate MS for changing things up. Otherwise, just stick with XP or 7. New tech is the result of change. To do new things, experimentation is required. Once I got used to this OS, I liked it. Others didn't. With the new 8.1 update, I'll have to learn new things. It will drive other people crazy. Any time there is change, there accompanies it a resistance. Now, don't change our democracy to an autocracy, but feel free to experiment with a new light bulb! - wait, resistance there too...
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  4. #84


    Once SteamOS is released, Valve assures users that they'll be able to build their own Steam Machines. Further, Valve stated that hackers will be able to install their own operating system, change the hardware, and install additional software on the forthcoming Steam Machines. In other words, Valve CEO Gabe Newell, who proclaimed that "Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space" in part of its move to more closed systems, really does seem to want SteamOS to be truly open source and for Steam Machines to be really open systems not locked down by Secure Boot.
    Valve's Linux-powered Steam Machines gather steam | ZDNet

    The move is on.
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  5. #85


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    I think it is time to stop bringing down us older folks (69). A great deal of us were using and writing code for computers and systems before some of you were even born. Sorry, albeit windows 8 was not that hard to figure out. Also the average computer user is not all that stupid when it comes to today's systems and OS's. A great deal of today's user have had computer classes while in high school, and in some cases middle and elementary school. It is time to look at the work force for another large part of the world's population that have also learned to use computers.
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  6. #86


    Southern California
    Posts : 788
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center x64


    Post 84: I played a game once that described a person as an 'open-minded professor'. Valve's CEO sounds like he is very intelligent... but not very wise. I'd take his advice like I'd take my salad - tossing it.
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  7. #87


    Southern California
    Posts : 788
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I think it is time to stop bringing down us older folks (69). A great deal of us were using and writing code for computers and systems before some of you were even born. Sorry, albeit windows 8 was not that hard to figure out. Also the average computer user is not all that stupid when it comes to today's systems and OS's. A great deal of today's user have had computer classes while in high school, and in some cases middle and elementary school. It is time to look at the work force for another large part of the world's population that have also learned to use computers.
    Sorry, Lee. I don't mean to put anyone down, much less you, but it seems true to me that people, and especially those who are older (but still just as valuable!) do not like much change. As one gets older, one likes to feel at ease. Settle down, own a house, etc. I find that learning new things even for me becomes a hassle (stupid new iPhones...). So naturally, older people may resist change moreso than one younger. I do not think ill of 'old folk', you guys are the gems that brought us wee folk such great things to begin with!

    I do think that a few older folk do not relish taking the time learning new computers. I found this out via my own experiences, but I'm sure it is different in other environments. And obviously, not true for everyone. Though the populace is more intelligent in using comps, there are still many who have no idea.

    Edit: I met a guy (who I wouldn't consider old folk) who didn't even know how to type, much less click the various buttons required to operate a computer; simple as it may be for us. This amazed me more than any other experience previous for this topic o.0
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  8. #88


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    I can install a start menu. I have installed this now on 6 of my friends and families computers for them.. Everyone of them has liked the OS more with the 3rd party app than without. All had been using the OS for at least a week before I installed the start menu for them. I believe what I believe and obviously that is a subjective thing. Still, most out there agree. You folks are the minority. A year later you are still the minority. No poll out there says otherwise. ...
    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    The Avg user does not know how to restore the start menu with 3rd party apps which is the main reason I say that they should not have to. They should not have to resort to 3rd party apps that change the look and feel for something like this.....
    Give the AVG user some credit. They can install a 3rd party start menu as easy as software for antivirus, printers, etc.
    They would feel more comfortable with a 3rd party program than going into Control Panel\->\->\->start menu


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    Part of why I have intentionally chosen to not use 3rd party start menu up to now is that I really want to grow to like the start screen.. It just has not happened up to now....
    Maybe because you fight it and treat it like a crap sandwich. I've got 14 friends that have gotten 8 since I did. Mainly because of how I've accepted the graphical start screen and expressed my opinion in a positive way. Not one of them want the old style start menu back after using the tiles for 15 seconds.

    All of them work in desktop mode except for when they go Modern Apps for banking , shopping and related.
    Their start screens have tiles for desktop, wordpad, notepad, paint, IE desktop on left edge, IE modern on right edge, the sites they frequent online and a few utilities.
    They all use Toolbars. Dektop,Programs, Links (I've got Program Files toolbar on my computers).
    Libraries, Start button shortcut and All apps shortcut are pinned to taskbar as well as Logoff shortcut.
    They all know about the Winkey and Start screen shortcut in lower left corner.

    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    I am sick of typing on this subject.. It would be far better to carry on a conversation with someone who thought replacing the start menu with the start screen was a good move, I just have been unsuccessful in meeting a person who feels this way up to now. Enjoy folks!! I am glad you like it! I truly am...
    Hello. Some members have been siding with you for a year. The rest of us think replacing the start menu with the graphical start screen was a good move. Or started liking it after just using it for awhile.
    Have you noticed that some members who installed 3rd start menus a year ago, uninstalled them after better understanding 8 and navigating thru it.

    As an IT, shouldn't you be able to show a customer how to navigate 8 au~natural?
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  9. #89


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    No.. If the Avg user knew with ease how to install 3rd party start menu replacements, then I would not have needed to install it on as many PC's as I have. Most don't even know it exists.. They just call me up in a bit of a panic... Look, I have used a lot of different OS.. I support hospital computer systems from home scattered across the US, which are running a range of Unix/Linux/Windows. I have been working on computers for well over 15 years. Today, I installed virtualbox on my machine as I am preparing to set up a new HTPC Media Center machine, and I wanted to experiment with various distros. I decided to go to my all apps screen and look for the newly installed program, which is what most people will do by the way, assuming they are able to find it. I knew perfectly well that I could type in virt.. and be done.. I wanted to find it. My all apps screen is a mosh.. First of all there are two separate sections for some reason.. A-Z and then A names -Z names.. It took me darn close to 30 seconds to find the app which was in the A-name to Z-name section, the 2nd section, under Oracle. Those fine days of clicking on all programs and being easily lead to your new app which is displayed temporarily in a different color are gone. I thought maybe the app didn't install for a few secs, until I was able to find it under 'Oracle'. I then pinned it to my start screen, to avoid this in the future.

    My point is, I can use it.. So can the avg individual. The start screen does not make anything easier, and feels at times, even after a year, more like a hindrance. I would love to sit down and chat with someone somewhere who actually agrees with you all, that the new here is better than the old.. I honestly try hard not to taint folks view of the new OS. I do not show any bias until they come to me for answers, then I help them. I try to show them how to use the new. I try to even paint it in a positive light. No one likes it... and when enough is enough, I install classic shell, and they are happy...

    There are things I like about 8. I just would have liked it better, had the given us more options..
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  10. #90


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    No.. If the Avg user knew with ease how to install 3rd party start menu replacements, then I would not have needed to install it on as many PC's as I have. Most don't even know it exists.. They just call me up in a bit of a panic... Look, I have used a lot of different OS.. I support hospital computer systems from home scattered across the US, which are running a range of Unix/Linux/Windows. I have been working on computers for well over 15 years. Today, I installed virtualbox on my machine as I am preparing to set up a new HTPC Media Center machine, and I wanted to experiment with various distros. I decided to go to my all apps screen and look for the newly installed program, which is what most people will do by the way, assuming they are able to find it. I knew perfectly well that I could type in virt.. and be done.. I wanted to find it. My all apps screen is a mosh.. First of all there are two separate sections for some reason.. A-Z and then A names -Z names.. It took me darn close to 30 seconds to find the app which was in the A-name to Z-name section, the 2nd section, under Oracle. Those fine days of clicking on all programs and being easily lead to your new app which is displayed temporarily in a different color are gone. I thought maybe the app didn't install for a few secs, until I was able to find it under 'Oracle'. I then pinned it to my start screen, to avoid this in the future.

    My point is, I can use it.. So can the avg individual. The start screen does not make anything easier, and feels at times, even after a year, more like a hindrance. I would love to sit down and chat with someone somewhere who actually agrees with you all, that the new here is better than the old.. I honestly try hard not to taint folks view of the new OS. I do not show any bias until they come to me for answers, then I help them. I try to show them how to use the new. I try to even paint it in a positive light. No one likes it... and when enough is enough, I install classic shell, and they are happy...

    There are things I like about 8. I just would have liked it better, had the given us more options..
    hmmmmmm!, sorry Mr. Muicslover, albeit I thought you were through with this discussion. It is hard to stay away when you are very passionate about a specific subject matter. . .
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