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  1. #31


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    I agree with you Wynona. I am glad that there are some folks who actually like the Start Screen. I really am!! Just don't go telling me how much better it is than what we had before.. It isn't. I have been using it for a year now, and I can tell you hands down, it isn't. It provides absolutely no functionality that I lacked before, and depending on what I am doing, it is slower than what I had before. Choice my friends, is a beautiful thing!! This is what I liked so much about what Wynona had to say. Any smart business owner should know, that you cannot do well by turning to your customers and telling them that they are 'wrong'. The customer is always right! I would think that this should be obvious, but some I guess still need it spelled out for them. They will stick to their guns till their dying day, or at least as long as they are still pulling a paycheck from Microsoft.

    Choice. Had Microsoft given their users a choice, so much of this could have gone down differently, and I would not be typing this right now. It is just a simple thing. It says to the the customer, however you want to use windows, is the right way. There is no wrong way. And yeah, Wynona is right, very often pressing the power button on a machine will default not to shutdown, but to hibernate. Seriously... Sometimes talking with these Win8 fanboys can be so frustrating. Just know, I am glad you are happy with the changes, and am glad they are a part of the OS so that you can be happy with them. I just wish they had left some of the old features in the OS for those of us in the majority who still prefer them. You won't find a single poll out there that sheds a positive light on the new start screen.. I am just saying...

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  2. #32


    I can't remember who, maybe you musiclover7, but somebody in this thread said it best when they pointed out the obvious fact that to get to the Start Screen, you will totally be leaving your application(s) / work in progress and for me, train of thought. It is simply too distracting. It may be fine for those who use computers strictly for social media, but when they are used to make your living, to me it is simply unacceptable.

    -jeff
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  3. #33


    Posts : 103
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by Jf1450 View Post
    I can't remember who, maybe you musiclover7, but somebody in this thread said it best when they pointed out the obvious fact that to get to the Start Screen, you will totally be leaving your application(s) / work in progress and for me, train of thought. It is simply too distracting. It may be fine for those who use computers strictly for social media, but when they are used to make your living, to me it is simply unacceptable.

    -jeff
    I disagree with this entirely. In Windows 7, when I wanted to launch an application that was in the Start menu, I had to do a number of clicks - 1 to open the menu itself, then at least 1 more click to launch the program, but sometimes it was several clicks as I had programs organised into folders. While I was looking for something in the Start menu, my attention was momentarily taken away from what I was doing.

    In Windows 8.1, I can go to the All Apps screen with 1 click and launch any program installed on my system in 1 click, then I'm back to where I was. So my attention is still taken away momentarily, but I'm doing fewer clicks.

    Also, any apps I am using regularly are pinned to the taskbar anyway, just like in Windows 7.

    Beside which, this is all academic. Install a third party Start menu replacement - problem solved, just like in Windows 7 where you would have to install an app if you wanted to mount an ISO, or you would install Microsoft Security Essentials (for example) because there was no AV protection included by default. The "outrage" to me is getting old at this point, simply because the solution to it is so simple and is available for free.

    If some people had their way, Windows 8 would be a marginally faster Windows 95, including looking the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7
    Had Microsoft given their users a choice, so much of this could have gone down differently, and I would not be typing this right now. It is just a simple thing. It says to the the customer, however you want to use windows, is the right way.
    Yeah, and the result would have been a bloated and unfocussed operating system that makes troubleshooting more difficult.
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  4. #34


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    All apps screen is a miss mosh, and you are missing the point. Jf was stating that for him, and many others, it is distracting to leave your work behind and open an entire screen that feels like an entirely different environment, just to accomplish basic tasks. Yes, there are other ways of doing things, but the point I was trying to make is that after a year of use, I still wish I had the option of the old...

    I am glad some people think the new is better. They are the minority. The majority do not agree, and as it stands, I think it will be a cold day in hell before we will begin to see much in the way of this OS being adopted by big businesses. It just is not intuitive enough for that to happen. I for one see the market as ripe for a new player, and I believe that whatever happens, the company that wins in the end will be the one that offers the most dynamic of choice to their customers, while still maintaining a secure and stable environment.
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  5. #35


    Quote Originally Posted by djsigma View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jf1450 View Post
    I can't remember who, maybe you musiclover7, but somebody in this thread said it best when they pointed out the obvious fact that to get to the Start Screen, you will totally be leaving your application(s) / work in progress and for me, train of thought. It is simply too distracting. It may be fine for those who use computers strictly for social media, but when they are used to make your living, to me it is simply unacceptable.

    -jeff
    So my attention is still taken away momentarily, but I'm doing fewer clicks.

    My point exactly. I couldn't care less about a click count. If I am 10 levels deep in a program debugging subroutines I don't want or need my attention or thought process broken momentarily. It takes much longer than a moment to get your head back into it once diverted.

    As for the Start8 comment, moot point. We're not talking third party kludge add-ons, we're talking Microsoft not giving those of us that use these things for business the proper tool and UI to do that business out of the box. It shouldn't need to be provided by a third party.

    -jeff
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  6. #36


    Posts : 103
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center (64 bit)


    Your attention is taken away momentarily anyway, unless you can look through your Start menu and debug sub-routines at the same time.

    And as for moot point, the whole whining about no Start menu is moot precisely because there are third party tools that do the job. Windows users have always had to use third party tools to do things that Windows could not do, or that do things better than the built-in options. I've never heard so much ridiculous whining about such a non-issue - and from people who are still using the OS anyway it seems! Folks who hate it enough to whine about something A YEAR after it was released, lol, but haven't quite got the courage of their convictions to dump it and use something else. If I was that mad about something, the first thing I'd do is dump it.

    A: "I hate the iPhone, it sucks! Apple need to fix it cos they don't understand their customers at all!"
    B: "Oh yeah? What phone do you use then if you hate the iPhone so much?"
    A: "iPhone."
    B: "................"

    ^^That's a large proportion of the Windows 8 hate posse in a nutshell, haha.
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  7. #37


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    All apps screen is a miss mosh, and you are missing the point. Jf was stating that for him, and
    many others, it is distracting to leave your work behind and open an entire screen that feels like an entirely different
    environment, just to accomplish basic tasks. Yes, there are other ways of doing things, but the point I was trying to make is
    that after a year of use, I still wish I had the option of the old...
    After a year you wish??!!

    Insanity: Doing something over and over again attempting to obtain different a result.

    I'm sorry, but after one year one would think that either you change it with 3rd party to your liking like others have done, simply give it up, stick to a prior OS, or move onto something else. I'll bet my next check that you're not going to get your precious Start Menu back any time soon. It may happen in 8.2 or or 9 or whatever, but it isn,t going to happen in these two editions. Please don't state the standard answer that you shouldn't have to use 3rd party because 8/8.1 are what they are > No more > No less.

    Have you installed and tried 8.1? That's really what the subject of this thread is about > The changes made in 8.1, even though the author states that it isn't worth the upgrade, which is just an opinion.
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  8. #38


    Quote Originally Posted by djsigma View Post
    .......If I was that mad about something, the first thing I'd do is dump it.

    A: "I hate the iPhone, it sucks! Apple need to fix it cos they don't understand their customers at all!"
    B: "Oh yeah? What phone do you use then if you hate the iPhone so much?"
    A: "iPhone."
    B: "................"

    ^^That's a large proportion of the Windows 8 hate posse in a nutshell, haha.
    That's about it.
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  9. #39


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    I just set up a win 8 laptop for a friend and I wish I could say this was a unique experience. I set him loose with the start screen. I gave him shortcuts on his task bar and on his desktop to all his stuff. Let him run on his own for two weeks. He called me for advice numerous times, and I helped him out. Finally, on the 3rd call two weeks in, I connected remotely and installed classic shell. He immediately breathed a huge sigh of relief and commented later how much better it was.

    Microsoft was beyond stupid forcing this new GUI on everyone, including their desktop users. It has been over a year, and I still have yet to communicate with anyone outside of these forums who likes the start screen over the old menu. The menu was faster, more concise, easier to use and did not require you to leave your work entirely to access it. There is nothing intuitive about the new GUI.. Forcing people to google how to shut down there computer on day one=a bunch of moronic designers. Enough said....
    One or both of these toolbars may have helped
    %UserProfile%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

     
    %UserProfile%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch


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  10. #40


    Posts : 959
    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by djsigma View Post
    Folks who hate it enough to whine about something A YEAR after it was released, lol, but haven't quite got the courage of their convictions to dump it and use something else. If I was that mad about something, the first thing I'd do is dump it.

    A: "I hate the iPhone, it sucks! Apple need to fix it cos they don't understand their customers at all!"
    B: "Oh yeah? What phone do you use then if you hate the iPhone so much?"
    A: "iPhone."
    B: "................"

    ^^That's a large proportion of the Windows 8 hate posse in a nutshell, haha.
    Yes but many of us don't get to choose what OS and software we use on computers at work, and it's for tasks at work that Metro is truly hopeless.

    If for instance my work PC was upgraded to Windows 8, and the corporate IT folks gave us no way to open PDFs other than Metro's Reader app, my job would suddenly get much harder. And I would have no option to dump it, unless I quit my job which would be a bit too extreme!
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