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  1. #21


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    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    I'm sorry, that's just ridiculous.
    A bit harsh, don't you think? I've been using computers and building my own since the DOS days and have never had any problem adjusting to a new version of DOS or Windows. Not to say I liked every new version, but when Windows 7 came out, I thought I'd died and gone to Heaven. That was before Windows 8! When I installed Windows 8, I thought I'd died and gone to Hell! I couldn't even figure out how to shut the dang thing down!

    Finally, I gave up and did a "hard" shutdown. Since I'd installed Windows 8 with Windows 7 as a dual boot system, I went back to booting into Windows 7 and started to pick up information on 8.

    A friend gave me the URL to Eight Forums, and I've learned a lot here. BUT! If it hadn't been for this forum, I would still be stumbling around in Windows 8, not being able to find my butt with both hands.

    Windows 8 is NOT INTUITIVE! And I'm here to tell you that I, personally, need to know more than how to press a power button and the Windows key when neither have been necessary or important to my computing skills in the past. What about the little "all apps" button at the lower right of the monitor? Once it's discovered, the most gosh-awful-convoluted list of apps comes up that has no rhyme or reason . . . MS Office, which should have Word, Excel, Power Point, Outlook and Access has a list of 15 (count 'em) "apps" to choose from. Gimme a break!

    Sometimes "one size fits all" doesn't work. When I was a 98 lb weakling, that same "one size" just hung off my skinny frame and I looked horrible. Pretty good analogy to hang onto Windows 8, because my computer certainly isn't a tablet (I have a Kindle HD for that) nor a smartphone (can you see putting my monitor up to my ear to answer a phone call?). Nor do I wish to stretch my arm all the way across my desk to leave a greasy smear on my monitor to open an app.

    Windows 8 is absolutely not a "one size fits all" kind of OS and Microsoft made a huge mistake by trying to force it on us.

    Does that mean I hate Windows 8? In the beginning, ABSOLUTELY I did, but I'm getting used to it and I can put up with it until the 8.1 upgrade is released on Oct. 18. Does that mean I'll love it? Nope, probably not. However, I will customize it and make it my own, even if I have to put one of those unnecessary menu apps on my computer.

    </climbing down from stump>

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  2. #22


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    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    How do you access the file structure using just the start screen. This to has been a problem for a few people I met. They could not figure out how to put a shortcut to my computer etc on the desktop. It sure ain't that easy to figure out using the start screen. Just saying that none of your arguments hold water or in any way justify this change. I have been running vanilla windows 8 and now 8.1 since launch, and I still don't like it. I know how to use it, but I still think they were stupid for forcing this change. Every poll I have ever looked at would seem to indicate that the world agrees with me...
    Agree wholeheartedly. It took me awhile and use of HP's Start Menu to figure out that I could put my "computer" on my Quick Launch bar. Now, at least it's a little easier to find things.
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  3. #23


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    I gave him that info.. It is still better with a logical, well thought out, and yes Familiar menu. People have been cautioned all along up to know away from shutting down their pc using the power button. Up to now, it has been a last resort. You and I both know that a single press will do the same as a shutdown. But no restart and logoff option come up that way. You act like this should be just basic stuff, but you miss the point that it is very different than what most people have been doing for 15 years and in no way is it better. Sorry friend. I am unfortunately in the majority on this one. Your opinion is not widely held and you should know it.
    You have been able to shutdown windows with the power button since Windows 98 SE. That's 15 years. Nobody should have been "cautioned" not to do it that way. Essentially, since the invention of the ATX motherboard.

    Again, I was very specific about what I wrote. If all they need to do is use their computer, then they only need to know those two things. Rebooting doesn't require anything special. Just power it down and power it back up again. It works quite well. And logoff is very easy to find, it's in the same place as pretty much every web site has it these days.. in the users account dropdown. Just like Hotmail, GMail, Yahoo, etc... These are things most people are already familiar with, and do every day.. but for some reason when it comes to Windows, they can't seem understand this logical connection.

    The problem here is that a Windows PC has always done things differently for no good reason, and now that it's doing things in a logical way, nobody seems to be able to "get it".
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  4. #24


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    I am fine.. I am talking about problems that the avg user has. Problems that I have seen them have personally. I can access explorer, and I know how to shut my own machine down. Still, these are basic things that should have been easier out of the box. There is no excuse for the fact that it isn't...
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  5. #25


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    There is nothing logical about the new windows. If there were, I being a person who has used it every day for over a year with a genuine desire to like it, would like it by now, but I still don't. Over all, I do like the OS, so to be clear, I am still speaking about a specific radical change that was forced upon the install base within the common GUI, otherwise known as the start screen. It sucks on a desktop. It is not logical on a desktop. I could press start and type the first three letters of my program in the past several versions of Windows as well, but I don't want to always do that. Sometimes I just want to look at a short list of apps and choose or find a function in the same place it has been all along up to now. If it were so much better, it would have won me over by now.. If it were so much better, I would have met at least one single person within the IT field that I work in who thought as much. When discussing Windows 8 with my colleagues, or the user base, I should now have met one that loves the new start screen over the start menu. This has yet to happen for me, and it has been over a year. The only people I know of who actually like it, exist in this forum, and I am 80% sure at least some of them work for Microsoft.
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  6. #26


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    How do you access the file structure using just the start screen. This to has been a problem for a few people I met. They could not figure out how to put a shortcut to my computer etc on the desktop. It sure ain't that easy to figure out using the start screen. Just saying that none of your arguments hold water or in any way justify this change. I have been running vanilla windows 8 and now 8.1 since launch, and I still don't like it. I know how to use it, but I still think they were stupid for forcing this change. Every poll I have ever looked at would seem to indicate that the world agrees with me...
    I'm not sure what you mean by "file structure", but if you mean the start menu sub-menus, then it works the same way, without the menu. Both are accessed by going to All Programs.

    It works the same way in both 7 and 8. You go to All Programs to get at the full list of apps. You right click on the icons to pin the icon somewhere. This is all identical in functionality, it's just that one is in a menu, and the other is in a categorized list. It's true that in Windows 8, All Programs was harder to find, but this was fixed in 8.1. And you could do the same thing by typing a few words into the start page and right clicking on the result and choosing pin to taskbar.. So knowing #2 still gets you there.
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  7. #27


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    No.. there used to be quick links to my docs, my computer, etc..

    These do not exist at all upon the first boot into Windows 8.. Yes, you can get to them under all apps, but again.. I am referring to the avg user. The avg user does not know how to get to all apps. The avg user does not even know how to right click. I am an engineer, I have been supporting the avg user for many a year now, and I back these statements.
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  8. #28


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I don't have to go to the customize mode to move or uninstall an app? All Customize does on my system is let me name the groups or move them.
    I think what he means is that if one right clicks on a tile, the screen goes to a darker shade, the tiles zoom back slightly, and the column titles appear for changing, which is the full customize mode? If left click and hold to move a tile, it goes into a semi-custom mode where only the tiles zoom back slightly to return back when released? Does that make sense?

    From the linked page:

    Tile control:
    In Windows 8, itís much too easy to mess up the Start screen. For example, you can accidentally move a tile by tapping it the wrong way. Or you can bring up the tile-delete screen by simply wiping downward. In Win8.1, you have to go into a special Customize mode (see Figure 1) before you're allowed to move or delete tiles ó which is good.

    ^ wasn't the case for me?
    Please excuse me. It wasn't really directed at you. I was more or less thinking out loud while posting so as to get it straight in my head. Lol! Sometimes it's not difficult for me to get confused!

    You are absolutely correct. One does NOT need to enter the full customize mode to move a tile. One can move a tile by simply left clicking and holding, but with a slight change in 8.1 not present in 8. Once one starts to move all the tiles zoom back slightly. Perhaps MS did this to warn the user that they're moving a tile?
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  9. #29


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    There is nothing logical about the new windows. If there were, I being a person who has used it every day for over a year with a genuine desire to like it, would like it by now, but I still don't. Over all, I do like the OS, so to be clear, I am still speaking about a specific radical change that was forced upon the install base within the common GUI, otherwise known as the start screen. It sucks on a desktop. It is not logical on a desktop. I could press start and type the first three letters of my program in the past several versions of Windows as well, but I don't want to always do that. Sometimes I just want to look at a short list of apps and choose or find a function in the same place it has been all along up to now. If it were so much better, it would have won me over by now..
    You're like the guy who was taught how to do everything wrong, and believes that his way is correct because that's the way he's always done it...

    PC's should not be different from any other device out there. They should not be shut down differently than anything else. A power button is all that is required, with the exception of when you need to reboot a pc remotely and have no physical access to the computer.

    Why is it that people have been pressing the power buttons on their macs for a decade and don't have problems. Why is it that people have been logging off on their Mac's for a decade by click on their username and choosing Log off without problem? Why is it that people have been getting by with nothing more than a "Dock" and an Applications folder for a decade, without problems... no start menu there.... And why is it that many people convert from a PC to a Mac and are able to make this adjustment just fine?

    You act like the Windows way of doing things is the logical way. It's NOT. It's highly illogical to have to shut down your electronic device through some menu somewhere inside the computer. It's only because you're used to doing them that way that you have a problem with them, because people using other OS's don't have start menus and have other ways of shutting down their devices just fine.

    So, people like yourself like to say it's not because you are resistant to change.... but in reality, it is... because it's strictly a personal preference thing as evidenced by the fact that millions of people use computers without these things every day, and they don't complain about the lack of them.
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  10. #30


    Texas
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    Windows 8.1


    I pressed the power button on my new HP box and guess what!? It put the computer to sleep; it didn't power it down. And no, I haven't done anything to change the power options until now. I did go in and change it to Shut Down rather than sleep. So, now, my only Power Button option is to turn on or turn off my computer. If I just want to put it to sleep or into hybernation, I need to do something else, like use a menu? Heaven Forbid!

    That said, I helped a friend set up her new computer with Windows 8 pre-installed. She was very happy with it, but then, she's pretty much a novice. She will explore, but will never experiment. She will learn how to use Windows 8, but never as efficiently as most of the guru-type denizens here.

    I was taught that just because I do things differently than you, that for me, I'm doing the right thing. I was also taught that just because you do things differently than me, that for you, you're doing the right thing.

    I do things the way I want to. Music Lover does things the way he wants to. And my friend does things the way she wants to. You do things the way you want to. None of us are wrong and we're all right.

    Having said that, I watch threads and pick up hints and tips; sometimes I find a better way to do things. I don't make any attempt to convince people my way's better than their way . . . I do resist when someone tells me that I'm doing it all wrong and that if I want to do it right, I must do it the way they say.
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