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  1. #11


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I don't have to go to the customize mode to move or uninstall an app? All Customize does on my system is let me name the groups or move them.
    I think what he means is that if one right clicks on a tile, the screen goes to a darker shade, the tiles zoom back slightly, and the column titles appear for changing, which is the full customize mode? If left click and hold to move a tile, it goes into a semi-custom mode where only the tiles zoom back slightly to return back when released? Does that make sense?

    From the linked page:

    Tile control:
    In Windows 8, it’s much too easy to mess up the Start screen. For example, you can accidentally move a tile by tapping it the wrong way. Or you can bring up the tile-delete screen by simply wiping downward. In Win8.1, you have to go into a special Customize mode (see Figure 1) before you're allowed to move or delete tiles — which is good.

    ^ wasn't the case for me?

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  2. #12


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    where Windows will go next even Microsoft might not know at this point
    They have a good idea where they would like to take the users.

    Maybe they have made enough superficial changes with 8.1 to stop repelling potential buyers. Or maybe the potential buyers will see through it.Time will tell.
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  3. #13


    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Attempt to satisfy "desktoppers"....???

    Oh, I don't think so. At best it is a rather sad attempt at sleight of hand on ms's part. It's still a turd.(tifkam) The only ones fooled are those who really really wanna be fooled. The rest of us are not fooled, not in the least.
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  4. #14


    Texas
    Posts : 1,022
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    Again these articles seem to over concentrate on the stupid MENU (or lack of it) -- If you boot straight to desktop and have your most used apps pinned to desktop (do this by opening File location and then send to desktop) or to the task bar then the menu is essentially an irrelevance -- and in any case you can get a much better menu by creating a custom toolbar rather than that huge windows 7 menu expanse - the toolbar creates an XP like menu which is far better on large screens anyway.

    Booting straight to desktop, disabling the charms feature and the applications list (2nd "start screen") and the far better search are worthwhile in themselves for desktop users.

    Even in W7 I hardly ever bothered with the menu.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I go one step further, Jim. Until I can get Windows 8.1 upgrade up and running, I just install the Quick Launch Bar and I'm done with it. Instructions are in the Tutorials. I keep the files and apps I use most frequently there and just click when I need to open something.

    Much easier than any of the new menus.
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  5. #15


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    I just set up a win 8 laptop for a friend and I wish I could say this was a unique experience. I set him loose with the start screen. I gave him shortcuts on his task bar and on his desktop to all his stuff. Let him run on his own for two weeks. He called me for advice numerous times, and I helped him out. Finally, on the 3rd call two weeks in, I connected remotely and installed classic shell. He immediately breathed a huge sigh of relief and commented later how much better it was.

    Microsoft was beyond stupid forcing this new GUI on everyone, including their desktop users. It has been over a year, and I still have yet to communicate with anyone outside of these forums who likes the start screen over the old menu. The menu was faster, more concise, easier to use and did not require you to leave your work entirely to access it. There is nothing intuitive about the new GUI.. Forcing people to google how to shut down there computer on day one=a bunch of moronic designers. Enough said....
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  6. #16


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I'm sorry, that's just ridiculous. Anyone that needs even 1 phone call after being given a basic overview for anything that classic shell can "fix" either wasn't listening or has severe mental problems.

    They only need to know two things. 1) Press the power button to shut down (just like every other electrical device they have ever used in their entire life). 2) Press the Windows key and start typing the first few letters of the program they want to use.

    If you told them those two things, which are all they need to know, you shouldn't have received any calls from them about it. I can see how you might get calls about other things, but those would not be solved by classic shell.

    Beyond that, they can certainly explore and poke around.. but if they want to just use the computer they only need to know those two things. Even better, you could have simply pinned the shortcuts to the apps they use on the taskbar. Then they would never need to go to the start screen.

    I get that some people don't like the start screen, but there's a difference between not liking it and not being able to understand it. To just launch programs, it requires very little understanding.
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  7. #17


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    I gave him that info.. It is still better with a logical, well thought out, and yes Familiar menu. People have been cautioned all along up to know away from shutting down their pc using the power button. Up to now, it has been a last resort. You and I both know that a single press will do the same as a shutdown. But no restart and logoff option come up that way. You act like this should be just basic stuff, but you miss the point that it is very different than what most people have been doing for 15 years and in no way is it better. Sorry friend. I am unfortunately in the majority on this one. Your opinion is not widely held and you should know it.
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  8. #18


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    How do you access the file structure using just the start screen. This to has been a problem for a few people I met. They could not figure out how to put a shortcut to my computer etc on the desktop. It sure ain't that easy to figure out using the start screen. Just saying that none of your arguments hold water or in any way justify this change. I have been running vanilla windows 8 and now 8.1 since launch, and I still don't like it. I know how to use it, but I still think they were stupid for forcing this change. Every poll I have ever looked at would seem to indicate that the world agrees with me...
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  9. #19


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    How do you access the file structure using just the start screen. This to has been a problem for a few people I met. They could not figure out how to put a shortcut to my computer etc on the desktop. It sure ain't that easy to figure out using the start screen. Just saying that none of your arguments hold water or in any way justify this change. I have been running vanilla windows 8 and now 8.1 since launch, and I still don't like it. I know how to use it, but I still think they were stupid for forcing this change. Every poll I have ever looked at would seem to indicate that the world agrees with me...
    I agree with you also.
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  10. #20


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    64-bit Windows 10


    Quote Originally Posted by musiclover7 View Post
    How do you access the file structure using just the start screen. This to has been a problem for a few people I met. They could not figure out how to put a shortcut to my computer etc on the desktop. It sure ain't that easy to figure out using the start screen. Just saying that none of your arguments hold water or in any way justify this change. I have been running vanilla windows 8 and now 8.1 since launch, and I still don't like it. I know how to use it, but I still think they were stupid for forcing this change. Every poll I have ever looked at would seem to indicate that the world agrees with me...
    You could use this below, but it's still not the same or as easy than using File Explorer.


    https://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ows-8-1-a.html
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