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Windows 8.1 RTM Released to MSDN & Technet

  1. #51


    Downloading 8.1x64 even as we speak... 'bout 10m to go...

    OK, didn't someone try to say a little while back that no ISO of 8.1 was scheduled to be released? Seems Like I recall that thread... I thought it would be insane of Microsoft to do that--and I'm glad to see it isn't so, after all.

    What I plan to do is to burn the DVD and boot from the DVD and do the upgrade install from there. I'm not entirely sure that trying to install 8.1 from an 8.0 boot is going to upgrade 100% correctly. I'll get back here and report on whether or not I had to re-do Media Center or anything else.

    @SnarkyTwit

    Although I see you've changed your mind about a clean install, yes, you can restore your Win7 system from your backup, install the 8.0 upgrade and then upgrade again to 8.1 from there. That's what I did--my upgrade to 8.1 tonight will complete the process! Yea, if you have a lot of junk installed--PD and the like, I would recommend you go for a clean install. But if all you have is a fair number of legitimate Windows applications and games that you would rather not reinstall, then I would certainly recommend the 7-8-8.1 upgrade route as it will save you a lot of time. Once you've done that--you can always do a clean install later if you become unhappy with the result for some reason.

    I think Microsoft did it that way because the company didn't want anyone who hadn't bought Win8 to be able to upgrade from another version of Windows to 8.1. Doesn't matter for the 8.0 crowd since they're getting 8.1 for free anyway. Just guessing, but probably after the trial period for the RTM expires (in Jan '14, I believe) I'll bet purchasers of Win8.1 (since 8.0 won't be sold any longer) will be able to upgrade from 7 exactly as 8.0 customers were able to do.

    EDIT: I can't believe it--but I'm getting so old my hinges are rusting--I *forgot* that Win8 won't let me install direct/upgrade from the DVD drive but that it has to be installed from a previous system boot! Grrrrr-r-r-r-rrrrr......the old gray cells must be dying by the billions! I *have* to upgrade from the 8.0 boot! Sorry if I confused anyone on that point!

    Let's see if I can recall how I originally installed 8.0 when I upgraded from Win7--let's see, I copied the Win8 install DVD to a folder on my hard drive and then let'er rip...! OK, now I'll try *that* and see if I have forgotten yet something else!
    Last edited by waltc; 10 Sep 2013 at 19:44. Reason: I'm losing it...;)

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  2. #52


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    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    OK, didn't someone try to say a little while back that no ISO of 8.1 was scheduled to be released? Seems Like I recall that thread...
    Microsoft said no ISO of 8.1 was scheduled to be released for consumers.

    From one of the comments on this blog post:
    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon LeBlanc
    Consumers will only be able to get Windows 8.1 for free through the Windows Store. ISO images won’t be made available broadly for consumers.
    I'm guessing that "consumers"= folks without MSDN or Technet accounts; which is the vast majority of Windows users.

    I've not seen anything yet that says they've changed this, although with all the back-tracking going on, it's possible they'll change their minds on that one too...
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  3. #53


    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Microsoft said no ISO of 8.1 was scheduled to be released for consumers.

    From one of the comments on this blog post:
    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon LeBlanc
    Consumers will only be able to get Windows 8.1 for free through the Windows Store. ISO images won’t be made available broadly for consumers.
    I'm guessing that "consumers"= folks without MSDN or Technet accounts; which is the vast majority of Windows users.

    I've not seen anything yet that says they've changed this, although with all the back-tracking going on, it's possible they'll change their minds on that one too...
    As it won't be that long until Win8.1 completely replaces 8.0 on retail store shelves--with iso's on DVD, of course--I don't see how Microsoft might ever be able to go DVD-less or iso-less with general consumers...
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  4. #54


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    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    As it won't be that long until Win8.1 completely replaces 8.0 on retail store shelves--with iso's on DVD, of course--I don't see how Microsoft might ever be able to go DVD-less or iso-less with general consumers...
    You're right, of course, at least for the upgrades from XP/Vista/7. They may not appear in the stores straight away, of course, as for a while people will be able to upgrade to 8 and then use the Store.

    But for people who already have 8.0 (especially pre-installed on an OEM machine), there's more possibilities...
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  5. #55


    Thought I'd check back in and let anyone who is interested know that my upgrade install of 8.1 from 8.0 went without a hitch--my considerable volume of non-Microsoft-Store applications & games was carried over without a hitch!

    Inconvenience: had to phone in my activation after installation, but that was a small annoyance

    Also, the upgrade policy from 8.0 has definitely changed for the better, with the 8.1 x64 RTM. In 8.0, when the installer told you that it was preserving your "files, settings, and apps" it meant by "apps" only those programs installed through the Windows store. The upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1 used the same verbiage, but happily I can report that now Microsoft programmers clearly understand that the word "apps" means "any installed applications or games in your system" and not *just* "apps" purchased from the Microsoft store. I sweated that a little tonight while the upgrade was proceeding--but I needn't have worried--Microsoft has learned what "applications" are, finally, in the Win8 upgrading saga... (Although, what at first caused the company to forget/overlook every application on earth save those available from the Windows store is completely beyond me as Microsoft has never had that problem before!)

    Yep--upgrading 8.0 to 8.1 RTM and preserving 100% of your installed applications works fine now, just as you would expect! Good news, I think.

    I really don't understand why Microsoft wanted to keep this away from the public until 10/18...just seems like simply another of those inexplicable brain malfunctions Microsoft has had often this year. RTM is RTM and if 8.1 wasn't "really" RTM then Microsoft should not have said that it was. OTOH, if indeed it is RTM like it seems to be, then there's little reason to hold it back from the company's 8.0 customers who have been running Win8 for a long time, going on a year. Also, it seems inexplicable why Microsoft would want to insist that its customers upgrade 8.0 to 8.1 through the Microsoft store when the upgrade install function in the present RTM iso works splendidly well! Go figure. I trust the local upgrade from local disk far more than I would trust a remote upgrade from the Microsoft store. So, I'd imagine, do a lot of other people.

    What I'll work on tomorrow will be trying to change my primary account from a Microsoft account to a local account--Microsoft seems to have made that a bit more complex than it was in 8.0, where it was fairly easy to do that, I thought.
    Last edited by waltc; 10 Sep 2013 at 22:40. Reason: typo
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  6. #56


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    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    Also, the upgrade policy from 8.0 has definitely changed for the better, with the 8.1 x64 RTM. In 8.0, when the installer told you that it was preserving your "files, settings, and apps" it meant by "apps" only those programs installed through the Windows store.
    I don't understand that comment, because when upgrading to 8.0 from 7 or earlier, there was no Windows Store to keep apps from, so preserving apps meant good old fashioned desktop apps because Windows 7 didn't have anything else.

    As far as I know, upgrading from 7 to 8 kept Desktop apps and mostly they worked.

    If you upgraded to 8.0 from an 8.0 Preview versions, then you wouldn't expect to keep much because Previews are just a test version and all bets are off; and I think the same might be true from 8.1 Preview to 8.1.
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  7. #57


    Waltc did say "from 8.0 has definitely changed for"
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  8. #58


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    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    Waltc did say "from 8.0 has definitely changed for"
    So which install process is Waltc comparing this to?

    As I said , I didn't understand the comment - what am I missing?
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  9. #59


    Well, as I read it, if you are changing from 8 to 8.1? He doesn't mention 7
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  10. #60


    I'm also a bit confused...Apps have not in my experience differed in origin when updating, AFAIK...

    .. I think perhaps Waltc may be referring to..

    Refresh your PC without affecting your files


    • The apps that came with your PC or you installed from Windows Store will be reinstalled, but any apps you installed from other websites and DVDs will be removed. Windows puts a list of the removed apps on your desktop after refreshing your PC.
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