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  1. #201


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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    The main one being that IE11 is NOT ready for prime-time.
    If by that you mean many web sites seem to have problems, this is problems with those websites. They have not been updated to expect IE11 as a possible browser.

    You can work around this for most sites by pressing F12, then going to the Emulation tab on the left, and then changing the User Agent String to IE10. That will work for most sites, but some may also require you to change the document type as well. Once IE11 is officially released, those sites ill get updated to support IE11 and this problem should eventually go away.

    This is not a problem with IE11, and it's not that it's not "ready for prime time", it's that developers are lazy and they write code like "If the browser version is 10, do this cool new thing" and forgetting that there may be a version 11, which won't get that feature anymore.
    Done that, mate, and still having issues.

    To be fair, they are minor niggles, not major disasters.

    It'll do, I've used much worse (think IE4).

    For what doesn't render properly, there's always Firefox.

    All good.


    Wenda.

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  2. #202


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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    OK I did a clean install of 8.1 on my laptop and everything went well. However I did run into one compatibility issue, which basically rendered my current copy of Norton Internet Security (NIS) 2013 in-op. It appears NIS 2013 isn't compatible with 8.1, and this will not install... at all. Wound up installing the beta version of NIS 2014 (NIS 21)
    Called Symantec (Norton) this morning about the compatibility issue between NIS 2013 and Win 8.1, and because my subscription was less than 5 months old they upgraded me to NIS 2014, final, free of charge.

    That said, there are no issue seen thus far; and Windows 8.1 is working beautiful as well. Now I just need to re-adjust to the new tweaks and stuff Microsoft did with 8.1
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  3. #203


    I personally wouldn't advise using Norton's with Win8/8.1, because an improved version of Microsoft Security Essentials is built into Windows and is standard with Win8 (called Defender.) But if you have to have Norton's in there, then be sure that Defender is turned *off* (it's in the Control Panel.) When you install other antimalware programs like Norton's they will usually turn off Defender (MSE) automatically when they install. But double check and be sure, because the last thing you want is two (or more!) antimalware programs running at the same time--just asking for trouble with those programs interfering with each other to slow things down, false positives, and the like. One antimalware program running at a time is the rule...

    Also, with 8.1 (I'm running the real thing), I highly, highly recommend running the Classic Shell version 3.9.5 start button/menu (that's all I use Classic Shell for--I don't install its other features.) This version specifically supports 8.1 and allows you control over the desktop charms and the desktop corners. You can shut them all down if you please--control 8.1 ought to support by default, for all of us non-touch users, but doesn't. The Classic Shell start-button/menu version 3.9.5, freeware, and highly recommended!
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  4. #204


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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    I personally wouldn't advise using Norton's with Win8/8.1, because an improved version of Microsoft Security Essentials is built into Windows and is standard with Win8 (called Defender.)

    Well, that's your opinion. For me, if I fully trusted Defender to do it's job on my somewhat public laptop I wouldn't have moved to Norton. And for what it's worth, I'm running MSE on my desktop. Have been since it's inception.

    BTW I've never had an issue with Norton myself and have no problems using it. To each his own though.


    But if you have to have Norton's in there, then be sure that Defender is turned *off* (it's in the Control Panel.) When you install other antimalware programs like Norton's they will usually turn off Defender (MSE) automatically when they install. But double check and be sure, because the last thing you want is two (or more!) antimalware programs running at the same time--just asking for trouble with those programs interfering with each other to slow things down, false positives, and the like. One antimalware program running at a time is the rule...

    Thanks, but I'm also aware of this as well. Also have posted in these (seven & eight) forums about the same as I've seen some users do what you advise against

    Also, with 8.1 (I'm running the real thing), I highly, highly recommend running the Classic Shell version 3.9.5 start button/menu (that's all I use Classic Shell for--I don't install its other features.) This version specifically supports 8.1 and allows you control over the desktop charms and the desktop corners. You can shut them all down if you please--control 8.1 ought to support by default, for all of us non-touch users, but doesn't. The Classic Shell start-button/menu version 3.9.5, freeware, and highly recommended!

    So am I.

    Anyway I prefer not to customize my Windows experience with add-on's. That's me though.
    This is good stuff for those not in the know but, I've got a little experience

    Thanks.
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  5. #205


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    win8.1.1 enterprise


    I highly, highly recommend running the Classic Shell version 3.9.5 start button/
    I have to disagree with that recommendation ,for me anyway ,I see nothing wrong with getting use to win8 new start ,and getting to enjoy it ,and im not a touch screen person ,don't even have a touch smart phone ,
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  6. #206


    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    I highly, highly recommend running the Classic Shell version 3.9.5 start button/
    I have to disagree with that recommendation ,for me anyway ,I see nothing wrong with getting use to win8 new start ,and getting to enjoy it ,and im not a touch screen person ,don't even have a touch smart phone ,
    I don't see anything wrong with the start page, either. It's just that I prefer the start menu, that's all. And I wish that 8.1 would have given me the degree of control over the desktop corners and charms that Classic Shell gives me. Microsoft got the "boot to desktop" option right, but that's as far as it went, unfortunately. In all honesty, I find the 3.9.5 version of CS to be the best version yet, and it integrates so seamlessly with 8.1 that I forget it's there--except when it provides a customization option Microsoft didn't want me to have, for some reason.
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  7. #207


    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post

    This is good stuff for those not in the know but, I've got a little experience

    Thanks.
    Yea, it's hard to know who knows what, these days... I've actually chatted with people who thought that the more antimalware programs they ran, the better!... (Two heads better than one logic, etc.)

    I'm not usually one for Windows add-ons, either. But this version of CS is the best one by far, and it's so seamless I forget it's there most of the time, except (as I told the other fellow) when I want to customize something Microsoft doesn't think I should be able to customize, that is. I think I can say that this is the first time I've ever used this kind of a Freeware Windows add-on! This version is the exception for me--you should try it, maybe, just for grins. It uninstalls easily and won't hurt a thing in your default setup. The RT UI is still there if I want to access it for some reason, but the nice thing about Win8/8.1 is if we don't want to look at the RT UI, we don't have to...

    Best regards...
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  8. #208


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    Windows 8.1 update 1 Pro X64 with WMC


    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    I highly, highly recommend running the Classic Shell version 3.9.5 start button/
    I have to disagree with that recommendation ,for me anyway ,I see nothing wrong with getting use to win8 new start ,and getting to enjoy it ,and im not a touch screen person ,don't even have a touch smart phone ,
    I don't see anything wrong with the start page, either. It's just that I prefer the start menu, that's all. And I wish that 8.1 would have given me the degree of control over the desktop corners and charms that Classic Shell gives me. Microsoft got the "boot to desktop" option right, but that's as far as it went, unfortunately. In all honesty, I find the 3.9.5 version of CS to be the best version yet, and it integrates so seamlessly with 8.1 that I forget it's there--except when it provides a customization option Microsoft didn't want me to have, for some reason.
    it does you can turn off hot corners on 8.1 and boot straight to desktop if you want
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  9. #209


    Question for real people, not for trolls : what do you think about these new apple's level "features", or are those bugs ? 1) broken usb power management, every usb device is shut down after a few minutes of inactivity. 2) you cannot turn off windows search, there is no such thing in add/remove programs -> "windows features", maybe it is trying to do first jobs for search ads ? 3) castrated functions like management of services and so on.
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  10. #210


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by niekoniekonieko View Post
    Question for real people, not for trolls : what do you think about these new apple's level "features", or are those bugs ? 1) broken usb power management, every usb device is shut down after a few minutes of inactivity. 2) you cannot turn off windows search, there is no such thing in add/remove programs -> "windows features", maybe it is trying to do first jobs for search ads ? 3) castrated functions like management of services and so on.
    Are you referring to Windows 8? If so, then you are confused about a few things.

    First, USB Power management can be configured. There are settings in the devices hardware profile to enable whether it is turned off or not on the Power Management tab.

    Second, You can turn off Windows Search by disabling the service in Services.

    Third, Add/Remove programs was renamed Programs and Features in Vista. Same functionality. It has a "Turn Windows Features on and off" link.

    I have no idea what you mean about "castrated functions". The standard old Services MMC plugin is still there. You can also control services in Task Manager now as well, although it has less functionality.. Maybe that's what you mean.. but you can always still use Services.mmc
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