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  1. #81


    Redmond
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    Windows 8.1 x64


    Yes, but this isn't a lawn, and your computer doesn't care - so people who want to clean it either have OCD or something left behind causes an issue if you try to reinstall (that's about the only reason to care), and that just doesn't happen that often, and is easily fixed. Using registry cleaners is NOT a good idea, the registry is not a carpet - it doesn't need cleaning.

    I'm still waiting on someone to provide me a reason why the registry isn't a good design, however. Lots of people have reasons, but most of them are personal preference reasons, NOT actual ones that prove a real problem .

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  2. #82


    Portsmouth Hants
    Posts : 772
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    The registry is obfuscation, (im)pure and (not )simple - its aim to hide the details behind meaningless (i.e. encrypted) guids, classids etc., and bury the nuts and bolts of the OS in nested cascades of obscure CamelCap definitions, obscure variable type values and to create multiple wild goose chases. Oh, and to threaten that any modification of the registry may break the system - which is not an idle threat.

    If the registry were a database optimised for speed and retrieval, it would have been based on SQL server or even the Microsoft Jet database engine in earlier days. As it is, the registry is a bunch of text files that have been slightly mucked around with so that they can't be read straight off a text editor. Parsed through a suitable Microsoft filter, the registry files present a hierarchical structure of the system. Most of the Windows system utilities read off their functionality and properties from the registry. In systems like XP, the registry became so slow that system startups were beginning to feel like wading through glue.

    It could not continue to become the slowest bottleneck in the OS, so in Vista thru Windows 8, the Registry has become less central to starting up the system and keeping it going. The registry is now just another redundant dump for (pointers to) system variables which now reside for rapid access in the hibernation file dumps and reduplicated in the SXS stores. No doubt, it will, in a few iterations of Windows, be superseded by some less accessible binary files - the registry libraries or .rll or similar files.

    Microsoft operating systems have never been fully documented, but as the component parts have to be more accessible to developers in order to create working applications, the framework is more obscured by irreproducible glue than fixings that can be made and unmade. That amorphous glue is the registry.
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  3. #83


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    Windows 8 pro 64


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    In that case you said it very nice: suffering the net.
    What are you trying to say ?
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  4. #84


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    Lehnerus, I agree with your point on what could be a purpose of making the Registry. It makes most installed programs not portable and that is to help prevent piracy of these programs as well. I have read about that on Sevenforums as well from somebody.
    That may have been me "battling" with some other members.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    But my question for Microsoft is that why didn't they build a native Registry maintenance utility that will automatically get rid of the bad,orphaned or leftover keys in the Registry? They do have the built in disk cleanup and defragmenter. Since most average users are not even aware of junk in the Registry causing their systems to go slow overtime, having such a utility will greatly lessen performance headaches are reinstalls of Windows OSs and would oust the need for a plethora of Registry cleaners out there that can do harm and ask money. They should have made a built in utility since Windows Vista.
    Maybe they could have incorporated it into the "sfc" command (or "dism").

    Something like:
    sfc /fixreg

    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    The registry is obfuscation, (im)pure and (not )simple - its aim to hide the details behind meaningless (i.e. encrypted) guids, classids etc., and bury the nuts and bolts of the OS in nested cascades of obscure CamelCap definitions, obscure variable type values and to create multiple wild goose chases. Oh, and to threaten that any modification of the registry may break the system - which is not an idle threat.
    Agreed.

    Don't forget about the keys that just point at each other with no actual data in them.

    This is why I believe that it's real purpose was DRM.
    Everything else it does was added to obscure that fact.

    IMO, the Linux config file system is better (simple to edit text files).
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  5. #85


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    I've used Revo Uninstaller Pro for many moons and in advanced mode it removes all registry entries for the app/program being removed as well as all file fragments or files not removed by the app/program uninstaller. Then run Glary Utilities registry cleaner to double check. And if you want to be really serious, run a manual search for all known file titles or bits of. One particular program removed by Revo had over 5,000 registry entries. It literally took about 10 minutes to find them all.

    In fact I've been running Glary registry cleaner/repairer/editor/defragger every week since it came into vogue. It also has a lot of other very useful utilites. And it does make a noticeable difference.
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  6. #86


    Delaware, USA
    Posts : 79
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, Windows XP Pro 32-bit, Ubuntu 14.04 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    I've used Revo Uninstaller Pro for many moons and in advanced mode it removes all registry entries for the app/program being removed as well as all file fragments or files not removed by the app/program uninstaller. Then run Glary Utilities registry cleaner to double check. And if you want to be really serious, run a manual search for all known file titles or bits of. One particular program removed by Revo had over 5,000 registry entries. It literally took about 10 minutes to find them all.

    In fact I've been running Glary registry cleaner/repairer/editor/defragger every week since it came into vogue. It also has a lot of other very useful utilites. And it does make a noticeable difference.
    Links, please? I've been using a different "advanced uninstaller", but it has become less and less useful with each "update", and each time it comes with more adware to look out for.
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  7. #87


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    [QUOTE=DJRoff;271527]
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Links, please? I've been using a different "advanced uninstaller", but it has become less and less useful with each "update", and each time it comes with more adware to look out for.
    Free version of Revo Uninstaller from Cnet: HERE. Pro version: HERE. Five out of five stars review Cnet.

    Free & Pro versions Glary Utilities: HERE. four out of 5 stars review on Cnet.

    NOTE:

    1. When running Glary registry clean untick Shortcuts Fixer otherwise it removes desktop shortcuts you may not want removed.

    Click image for larger version

    2. Revo uses the app/program uninstaller if it's available then cleans up. If when it's finished the app/program uninstaller asks you to reboot, do not do it, but choose reboot later, or shut the window; otherwiser you will miss the last two steps by Revo to clean the registry and left over files/fragments.

    If there are multiple registry entries or ditto for leftover files/fragments, I just select "All" and "Delete" and have never had a problem with wrong files removed.

    Even then I still manually check:

    • Program Files > Common Files
    • AppData > Local & Roaming
    • Registry > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Software and > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > Software


    When Win8 first came out I had to run Revo in XP compatibility mode, but with later versions that's been fixed.
    Last edited by Mustang; 26 Aug 2013 at 10:08.
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  8. #88


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Smart86 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    In that case you said it very nice: suffering the net.
    What are you trying to say ?
    The way I see it is pretty clear.



    It's supposed to be surfing the net, at least if the OS runs normally, no hacks, viruses, etc.

    But you said suffering the net so it means the user suffers from all the attacks and viruses.

    It was mentioned that the OS didn't had any updates installed and good luck with that setup online.

    That's it.
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  9. #89


    Delaware, USA
    Posts : 79
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, Windows XP Pro 32-bit, Ubuntu 14.04 64-bit


    [QUOTE=Mustang;271529]
    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Links, please? I've been using a different "advanced uninstaller", but it has become less and less useful with each "update", and each time it comes with more adware to look out for.
    Free version of Revo Uninstaller from Cnet: HERE. Pro version: HERE. Five out of five stars review Cnet.

    Free & Pro versions Glary Utilities: HERE. four out of 5 stars review on Cnet.
    Many, many thanx for that info, Mustang!
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  10. #90


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    In fact I've been running Glary registry cleaner/repairer/editor/defragger every week since it came into vogue. It also has a lot of other very useful utilites. And it does make a noticeable difference.
    I use Glary Utilities.
    If you have an SSD, check that the auto-defragger and boot defragger are disabled (I use Defraggler for my HDD defragging).

    The strange symbol (2nd from the right along the bottom) is an update checker.
    It checks Filepuma for updates for various software packages that you have installed.
    Free Software Downloads and Reviews - Filepuma.com

    I haven't checked version 3.9 yet (I have it installed)
    The program icon breaks regularly on my PC.
    The previous 2 versions had a bug in the Disk Usage tool.
    It wouldn't show any Macrium image files (so the disc usage was incorrect on my Backup partition).

    I also have CCleaner, which I have setup to automatically run (using a script) after I close my Pale Moon Internet browsing sessions (previously FF sessions)
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