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  1. #71


    The registry has to be the dumbest thing to come out of Redmond since Steve Ballmer. It's one of those "great concept, pi$$ poor execution" things. I would imagine that deep in the bowels of Microsoft folks are going "geez, why did we ever do that" but then they're too arrogant. It is the root cause of 90% of the problems people have today with it's hives and keys that conflict and that once in there never go away without having to manually dig into the thing and then you'll never find all the related entries.

    Give me good ole standalone .ini files any day instead of one huge data structure containing totally unrelated data.

    -jeff

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  2. #72


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jf1450 View Post
    The registry has to be the dumbest thing to come out of Redmond since Steve Ballmer. It's one of those "great concept, pi$$ poor execution" things. I would imagine that deep in the bowels of Microsoft folks are going "geez, why did we ever do that" but then they're too arrogant. It is the root cause of 90% of the problems people have today with it's hives and keys that conflict and that once in there never go away without having to manually dig into the thing and then you'll never find all the related entries.

    Give me good ole standalone .ini files any day instead of one huge data structure containing totally unrelated data.

    -jeff

    ...like building building a car and giving you a repair manual with a 2000-page Table of Contents... but all the chapters are empty!
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  3. #73


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    The concept behind the registry wasn't complete rubbish at the time. It's a database, and Microsoft needed a way to create a secure OS. When Windows NT 3.0 was initially released, to about as much fan fair as Windows 8, Microsoft focused totally on the security of the system, especially the registry.

    That said, before anyone says it, yes, they should have gone down the path of the Unix model. That owned Xenix at the time, still do, as well as Lanman, which Windows NT was partially built on. Much like Windows 8, someone thought they could "do it better." Obviously they were wrong.
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  4. #74


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    DRM


    It has always been my opinion that the Registry's main function is actually DRM.

    Before the Registry most programs (if not all) were what we call "portable" today.
    The programs all had their own dat or ini files, which were in the program's directory.
    You could just move the program anywhere you liked, including onto someone else's PC.

    Folder customisations used to be stored in the folder in desktop.ini files and then someone thought it would be a great idea to move that into the Registry too.

    @DJRoff
    Your quotes got scrambled in post #70.
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    The main thing I despise about the Registry is that dead keys, broken keys and other orphaned or obsolete components left in there seem to cause performance degradation on the computer overtime and cause certain things to go wrong and a lot of malware target it as well. Even Windows 7 and 8 are vulnerable to this problem. I do agree with that as I have used low end machines where performance loss are more noticeable. Using Registry cleaners is not safe that's why I only use the less aggressive ones today (ex. CCleaner) and thankfully we have Revo to get rid of the junk upon uninstalling programs. Registry cleaning is the most debated maintenance task out there, whether it should be done, given the risk of using Registry cleaning programs that can also remove some needed keys and cripple the system. I also have a bit of (repeated) discussions about the use of Registry cleaners on Sevenforums.

    Lehnerus, I agree with your point on what could be a purpose of making the Registry. It makes most installed programs not portable and that is to help prevent piracy of these programs as well. I have read about that on Sevenforums as well from somebody.

    But my question for Microsoft is that why didn't they build a native Registry maintenance utility that will automatically get rid of the bad,orphaned or leftover keys in the Registry? They do have the built in disk cleanup and defragmenter. Since most average users are not even aware of junk in the Registry causing their systems to go slow overtime, having such a utility will greatly lessen performance headaches are reinstalls of Windows OSs and would oust the need for a plethora of Registry cleaners out there that can do harm and ask money. They should have made a built in utility since Windows Vista.
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  6. #76


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    I know people who don't even have their XP PC's up to date to sp3 . They say they never done any Microsoft updates , just their anti-virus program . They use their PC for emails and suffering the net . BTW how is this about 8 news ?
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  7. #77


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    The main thing I despise about the Registry is that dead keys, broken keys and other orphaned or obsolete components left in there seem to cause performance degradation on the computer overtime... my question for Microsoft is, why didn't they build a native Registry maintenance utility that will automatically get rid of the bad,orphaned or leftover keys in the Registry? They do have the built in disk cleanup and defragmenter. Since most average users are not even aware of junk in the Registry causing their systems to go slow overtime, having such a utility will greatly lessen performance headaches are reinstalls of Windows OSs and would oust the need for a plethora of Registry cleaners out there that can do harm and ask money. They should have made a built in utility since Windows Vista.
    Couldn't agree with you more on this one! I keep seeing those 3rd party "Registry Cleaners" out there, and some of them MAY be legit, but I'll guarantee you that most of them are pure scareware. And downloading and installing them is going to cause you MORE problems, in the end. This is an area where MS has never really stepped up to the plate.
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  8. #78


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    Windows 8.1 x64


    I still haven't found why someone would want to "clean" the registry above and beyond it being an OCD behavior. The registry works fine, especially since XP; a lot of the problem comes down to people not knowing how it works (including developers). The portions of the registry in use are loaded into memory before they're accessed, so having "bloat" of old, unused values really won't cause any noticeable slow behavior unless you have issues with physical RAM being slow on your machine. I will always fail to comprehend the registry hate - especially since most people interact with it using Windows XP or higher, where it is a good design and quite stable (and recoverable in failure). Are there other models that work well? Sure! Is the registry a design that works well? Yes, indeed it is.
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  9. #79


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Smart86 View Post
    I know people who don't even have their XP PC's up to date to sp3 . They say they never done any Microsoft updates , just their anti-virus program . They use their PC for emails and suffering the net . BTW how is this about 8 news ?
    No updates at all... I can imagine an online machine like that.

    In that case you said it very nice: suffering the net.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
    I still haven't found why someone would want to "clean" the registry above and beyond it being an OCD behavior. The registry works fine, especially since XP; a lot of the problem comes down to people not knowing how it works (including developers). The portions of the registry in use are loaded into memory before they're accessed, so having "bloat" of old, unused values really won't cause any noticeable slow behavior unless you have issues with physical RAM being slow on your machine. I will always fail to comprehend the registry hate - especially since most people interact with it using Windows XP or higher, where it is a good design and quite stable (and recoverable in failure). Are there other models that work well? Sure! Is the registry a design that works well? Yes, indeed it is.
    No arguments there, but even the most well-kept lawns need to be raked, after you prune the bushes. And that's just what an untended registry would look like, after a few program and hardware uninstallations, if we could see it in graphical fashion... leftover twigs, leaves and crap lying all over the place. I have yet to find a decent utility that really cleans it up (no offense to CCleaner, it's good as far as it goes).
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