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Microsoft warns Windows XP users risk 'zero day forever'

  1. #41


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    I know what you mean, on both scores. Have to tell you though, that I would have NO trouble ditching Win 98! I refurbed an old HP, a few years ago, and used its Re-Install disk... which turned out to be Win ME, about the same thing. I gave that one away faster than you can say BSOD!
    Yeah totally understand that one. The annoying thing about W8 is how difficult M$ have made everything for desktop users. Such as a simple thing like booting into safe mode with F8 where you need to do a BCDEdit or use a third party app. It seems to be an endless litany of work-arounds and third party software to get it back to the efficiency of operation that existed in Win7.

    In general terms PCs have only ever really been a hobby for me, aside from the actual work jobs I do on them like spread sheets for tax work, banking, music and movie editing, etc. I have no formal education in PCs aside from a few odd units from yesteryear when doing Electronic Engineering; and they're all prehistoric now. By no means do I have an in-depth, comprehensive range of knowledge.

    I really only did things that needed to be done to make the PC work the way I wanted it to work; unless something got my attention and became a challenge or a curiosity. What I do know I know well, but there are a lot of gaps. And I could never get into it again like formal tertiary study, which would take all the fun out of it. All the repair work I've done for others was really to satisfy my own learning and interests. So they benefitted and so did I.
    With you there, I've never done this stuff professionally, just tinkered around with it so much that I became the de facto family "expert", and have wound up building one or two for family members. Stick me in an IT position somewhere, and I'd fall apart.. even though my

    We've wandered pretty far afield, here, from the original topic. Bottom line is, I think we all have a lot of respect for XP, in terms of how far it has brought us, and the changes it has weathered. I, for one, plan to keep it around as long as I can, albeit in internet-retirement after April.

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  2. #42


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    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    With you there, I've never done this stuff professionally, just tinkered around with it so much that I became the de facto family "expert", and have wound up building one or two for family members. Stick me in an IT position somewhere, and I'd fall apart.. even though my

    We've wandered pretty far afield, here, from the original topic. Bottom line is, I think we all have a lot of respect for XP, in terms of how far it has brought us, and the changes it has weathered. I, for one, plan to keep it around as long as I can, albeit in internet-retirement after April.
    Yes you're right we, or should I say I, have wandered right off the radar. Even so, nice chatting. And likewise when I look back I still scratch my head and wonder how I ever got through tertiary study. It really does take the fun out of it because you only ever see unrelated bits of the system and not how they all fit together in the bigger picture. I'm much more a hands on person than a theorist.

    And yes, also agree XP was and still is for many a great system. The last machine I had it in was reasonably high end and XP absolutely flew being such a lightweight OS compared to Vista and Win7. And like others have said in this thread, it's still used by many businesses.

    Cheers M
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  3. #43


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    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    My friend and I couldn't install the AHCI drivers via a floppy disc.
    I was able to successfully create a slipstreamed install disc with the AHCI drivers.
    I never had any luck slipstreaming with nLite, could never get a working disk. But the floppy method is simple, you just get those drivers from your motherboard mfr (the standard AMD ones are called ahcix86.inf, ahcix86.sys, etc.) and put them on a floppy in root position. Then, during XP install, where it says, "Press F6 if you need to install 3rd-party SCSI or RAID drivers", press and hold F6. It will come to a stopping point and ask you to insert the disk you just made. It will see the drivers and tell you what it's installing. That's all there is to it.
    I had the opposite experience.
    The drivers would not install from the floppy.

    I tried multiple floppies (just in case they had become defective).

    I wasn't able to include any updates, other than SP1, SP2 and SP3, if I wanted to end up with a working XP install disc using nLite.
    Trying to include any other updates invariably broke the disc.
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  4. #44


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    [QUOTE=lehnerus2000;

    I had the opposite experience.
    The drivers would not install from the floppy.

    I tried multiple floppies (just in case they had become defective).

    I wasn't able to include any updates, other than SP1, SP2 and SP3, if I wanted to end up with a working XP install disc using nLite.
    Trying to include any other updates invariably broke the disc. [/QUOTE]

    Ok, that's good to know, if I ever decide to try nLite again, I'll just avoid anything but the Service Packs. But I thought that was the idea behind slipstreaming, that you could include ANY special files you wanted as part of the disk.

    As far as the floppy routine, some mobo mfrs have their own special drivers (I once worked on an ASRock board like that, their driver was called jraidx86.inf or something like that), and most of them will have some type of "MAKE_DISK" thing you can download, to assemble a usable floppy. In most cases, this only amounts to 3 or 4 files in root position. In a few instances, though, your motherboard might be looking for something specific, like an autorun or exec.bat folder or something, which only their "MAKE_DISK" widget will create. It will usually be in their list of drivers under the heading of SATA or RAID, if they have one.
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  5. #45


    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    I can't believe that if these folks are informed of the dangers of identity theft, bank account hacking, and other serious breaches of critical private information with an unpatched XP they won't perk up and listen up?
    Some just don't care about security. After creating 'Standard User Accounts' for them, they convert them to 'Administrator Accounts'. They will turn firewall & antivirus off because it blocks sites & downloads they want.
    Then they want you to clean their computer again.

    Best advice I give anyone about replacing XP is that 7 is the last similiar OS but 8 isn't bad if you like learning a new system.
    When buying a new computer be sure it has DDR3. Instead of DDR or DDR2 so that you'll have the latest & fastest memory, which will make the pc faster.
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  6. #46


    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    I know what you mean, on both scores. Have to tell you though, that I would have NO trouble ditching Win 98! I refurbed an old HP, a few years ago, and used its Re-Install disk... which turned out to be Win ME, about the same thing. I gave that one away faster than you can say BSOD!
    Yeah totally understand that one. The annoying thing about W8 is how difficult M$ have made everything for desktop users. Such as a simple thing like booting into safe mode with F8 where you need to do a BCDEdit or use a third party app. It seems to be an endless litany of work-arounds and third party software to get it back to the efficiency of operation that existed in Win7.

    In general terms PCs have only ever really been a hobby for me, aside from the actual work jobs I do on them like spread sheets for tax work, banking, music and movie editing, etc. I have no formal education in PCs aside from a few odd units from yesteryear when doing Electronic Engineering; and they're all prehistoric now. By no means do I have an in-depth, comprehensive range of knowledge.

    I really only did things that needed to be done to make the PC work the way I wanted it to work; unless something got my attention and became a challenge or a curiosity. What I do know I know well, but there are a lot of gaps. And I could never get into it again like formal tertiary study, which would take all the fun out of it. All the repair work I've done for others was really to satisfy my own learning and interests. So they benefitted and so did I.
    With you there, I've never done this stuff professionally, just tinkered around with it so much that I became the de facto family "expert", and have wound up building one or two for family members. Stick me in an IT position somewhere, and I'd fall apart.. even though my

    We've wandered pretty far afield, here, from the original topic. Bottom line is, I think we all have a lot of respect for XP, in terms of how far it has brought us, and the changes it has weathered. I, for one, plan to keep it around as long as I can, albeit in internet-retirement after April.
    I think XP made many 'Shadetree IT's'.
    My first 6 mos was 98 SE, learned about security and clean install by googling which led to self help forums like this. Then XP. Which stayed around long enough for me to learn and become family IT.
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  7. #47


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    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Yeah totally understand that one. The annoying thing about W8 is how difficult M$ have made everything for desktop users. Such as a simple thing like booting into safe mode with F8 where you need to do a BCDEdit or use a third party app. It seems to be an endless litany of work-arounds and third party software to get it back to the efficiency of operation that existed in Win7.

    In general terms PCs have only ever really been a hobby for me, aside from the actual work jobs I do on them like spread sheets for tax work, banking, music and movie editing, etc. I have no formal education in PCs aside from a few odd units from yesteryear when doing Electronic Engineering; and they're all prehistoric now. By no means do I have an in-depth, comprehensive range of knowledge.

    I really only did things that needed to be done to make the PC work the way I wanted it to work; unless something got my attention and became a challenge or a curiosity. What I do know I know well, but there are a lot of gaps. And I could never get into it again like formal tertiary study, which would take all the fun out of it. All the repair work I've done for others was really to satisfy my own learning and interests. So they benefitted and so did I.
    With you there, I've never done this stuff professionally, just tinkered around with it so much that I became the de facto family "expert", and have wound up building one or two for family members. Stick me in an IT position somewhere, and I'd fall apart.. even though my knowledge in some areas is way deeper than some IT folks.

    We've wandered pretty far afield, here, from the original topic. Bottom line is, I think we all have a lot of respect for XP, in terms of how far it has brought us, and the changes it has weathered. I, for one, plan to keep it around as long as I can, albeit in internet-retirement after April.
    I think XP made many 'Shadetree IT's'.
    My first 6 mos was 98 SE, learned about security and clean install by googling which led to self help forums like this. Then XP. Which stayed around long enough for me to learn and become family IT.
    "Family IT" is a good name for it. I have one relative who is always getting things messed up on her (still XP) machine, and wanting me to talk her out of trouble. Fortunately, I didn't build that one though, I'm just the occasional hero. I keep threatening that the next time she calls, I'm going to break into a thick foreign accent.
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  8. #48


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    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    "Family IT" is a good name for it.
    You took the words out of my mouth DJ! Great name. Gives off good vibes.

    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    I'm just the occasional hero. I keep threatening that the next time she calls, I'm going to break into a thick foreign accent.
    Triple LOL! I get a bit paranoic when the phone rings and I recognize the person ringing on Caller ID as the resident XP nemesis! I'm slowly starting to grasp the meaning of being "on the lam"!
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  9. #49


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    "Family IT" is a good name for it.
    You took the words out of my mouth DJ! Great name. Gives off good vibes.

    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    I'm just the occasional hero. I keep threatening that the next time she calls, I'm going to break into a thick foreign accent.
    Triple LOL! I get a bit paranoic when the phone rings and I recognize the person ringing on Caller ID as the resident XP nemesis! I'm slowly starting to grasp the meaning of being "on the lam"!
    Yeah, but you can only change your phone number so many times. They keep finding you.
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  10. #50


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    Specific Order?


    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    Ok, that's good to know, if I ever decide to try nLite again, I'll just avoid anything but the Service Packs. But I thought that was the idea behind slipstreaming, that you could include ANY special files you wanted as part of the disk.
    I thought that too.
    Maybe they have to be added to the ISO maker in a specific order.

    The problem may only be with a few of the updates.
    I have a library of 95 XP updates (up to July 2012).
    I didn't try adding them one at a time until it broke the ISO (for obvious reasons).

    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    As far as the floppy routine, some mobo mfrs have their own special drivers (I once worked on an ASRock board like that, their driver was called jraidx86.inf or something like that), and most of them will have some type of "MAKE_DISK" thing you can download, to assemble a usable floppy. In most cases, this only amounts to 3 or 4 files in root position. In a few instances, though, your motherboard might be looking for something specific, like an autorun or exec.bat folder or something, which only their "MAKE_DISK" widget will create. It will usually be in their list of drivers under the heading of SATA or RAID, if they have one.
    Thanks for that info.
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