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  1. #31


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    When I tried to install it kept BSOD and BIOS in Intel board stated XP could only be run in IDE config for disks, and needed SATA drivers pre-installed.

    Likewise floppy driver installation wouldn't work, using it on USB connected floppy drive because no IDE slots on board ... hence slipstream disk. Never thought of pre-installing AHCI drivers. Where would these be available from?
    I got mine from the motherboard supplier or AMD directly, I can't remember which (AMD SB700 AHCI driver).
    I create the XP install ISO using nLite.

    I thought that Intel had a "generic" AHCI driver for their boards.

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  2. #32


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    Thanks for the input Iehnerus. At the time I did go to the Intel site for drivers and didn't notice any AHCI drivers for XP. I got all the normal ones of chipset, LAN, etc, that were available for his board; plus the SATA ones that were slipstreamed with nLite, but there was nothing else listed. I can't remember the exact model of the board but it was extreme, and quad core duo, (hyper threading) i7 CPU. Maybe Intel didn't provide them for XP on that board?
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  3. #33


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    My friend and I couldn't install the AHCI drivers via a floppy disc.
    I was able to successfully create a slipstreamed install disc with the AHCI drivers.
    I never had any luck slipstreaming with nLite, could never get a working disk. But the floppy method is simple, you just get those drivers from your motherboard mfr (the standard AMD ones are called ahcix86.inf, ahcix86.sys, etc.) and put them on a floppy in root position. Then, during XP install, where it says, "Press F6 if you need to install 3rd-party SCSI or RAID drivers", press and hold F6. It will come to a stopping point and ask you to insert the disk you just made. It will see the drivers and tell you what it's installing. That's all there is to it.
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  4. #34


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    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    My friend and I couldn't install the AHCI drivers via a floppy disc.
    I was able to successfully create a slipstreamed install disc with the AHCI drivers.
    I never had any luck slipstreaming with nLite, could never get a working disk. But the floppy method is simple, you just get those drivers from your motherboard mfr (the standard AMD ones are called ahcix86.inf, ahcix86.sys, etc.) and put them on a floppy in root position. Then, during XP install, where it says, "Press F6 if you need to install 3rd-party SCSI or RAID drivers", press and hold F6. It will come to a stopping point and ask you to insert the disk you just made. It will see the drivers and tell you what it's installing. That's all there is to it.
    Yeah that's exactly what I tried doing but when it go to the point of asking to hit F6 it failed to read the floppy. Possibly the USB drivers had not installed at that point, as it was a USB caddy for the floppy due to lack of IDE slots.
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  5. #35


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    My friend and I couldn't install the AHCI drivers via a floppy disc.
    I was able to successfully create a slipstreamed install disc with the AHCI drivers.
    I never had any luck slipstreaming with nLite, could never get a working disk. But the floppy method is simple, you just get those drivers from your motherboard mfr (the standard AMD ones are called ahcix86.inf, ahcix86.sys, etc.) and put them on a floppy in root position. Then, during XP install, where it says, "Press F6 if you need to install 3rd-party SCSI or RAID drivers", press and hold F6. It will come to a stopping point and ask you to insert the disk you just made. It will see the drivers and tell you what it's installing. That's all there is to it.
    Yeah that's exactly what I tried doing but when it go to the point of asking to hit F6 it failed to read the floppy. Possibly the USB drivers had not installed at that point, as it was a USB caddy for the floppy due to lack of IDE slots.
    Like we've been saying, XP is OLD, in terms of computer tech. Back in the late 90s, when they were developing it, EVERYBODY had a floppy drive, and nobody had heard of AHCI yet. USB was still in its infancy. So no, the only thing XP will recognize during installation is a signal from the FDD controller. A USB floppy drive won't do the trick.
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  6. #36


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    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    Like we've been saying, XP is OLD, in terms of computer tech. Back in the late 90s, when they were developing it, EVERYBODY had a floppy drive, and nobody had heard of AHCI yet. USB was still in its infancy. So no, the only thing XP will recognize during installation is a signal from the FDD controller. A USB floppy drive won't do the trick.
    Thanks Roff. That confirms my suspicions. Fortunately the slipstreamed nLite XP disk was able to load SATA drivers obtained from Intel specifically for that board and that did the trick.

    But it created another problem when he later down the track finally got Win7, but wanted dual boot with XP still there. And that bit was OK. But when it came to reloading Acronis images of either of the two OSs, the BIOS had to be changed from IDE to AHCI and vice versa, depending on which OS image was being loaded, for Acronis to see the applicable target disk.

    I personally ran XP Pro as a virtual installation for awhile, but finally caved, and changed to Win7 on flagship and Vista on backup until W8 arrived. Now it's W8 flagship and Win7 backup. Not a lot of difference performance wise though, with SATA3 SSD HDs on both machines. Even Vista is quite respectable with SSD, sufficient RAM and correct drivers. It will do most run of the mill jobs for the average user.

    With prices so much cheaper now on SSD, and durability problems in early models ironed out, I simply have 2 x internal 120GB SSD SATA3 HDs, with one for OS and other for storage; and two external HDs being an eSATA spinner & USB3.
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  7. #37


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Thanks Roff. That confirms my suspicions. Fortunately the slipstreamed nLite XP disk was able to load SATA drivers obtained from Intel specifically for that board and that did the trick.

    But it created another problem when he later down the track finally got Win7, but wanted dual boot with XP still there. And that bit was OK. But when it came to reloading Acronis images of either of the two OSs, the BIOS had to be changed from IDE to AHCI and vice versa, depending on which OS image was being loaded, for Acronis to see the applicable target disk.

    I personally ran XP Pro as a virtual installation for awhile, but finally caved, and changed to Win7 on flagship and Vista on backup until W8 arrived. Now it's W8 flagship and Win7 backup. Not a lot of difference performance wise though, with SATA3 SSD HDs on both machines. Even Vista is quite respectable with SSD, sufficient RAM and correct drivers. It will do most run of the mill jobs for the average user.

    With prices so much cheaper now on SSD, and durability problems in early models ironed out, I simply have 2 x internal 120GB SSD SATA3 HDs, with one for OS and other for storage; and two external HDs being an eSATA spinner & USB3.
    For me, on the main machine, it's W8 by default, XP secondary, and Ubuntu 13.04. (I have a second machine running W7 default, W8 secondary, and Zorin.) Haven't used Acronis in several years, I've been using Paragon, and haven't had those problems. The only issue with Paragon is that it won't work on dynamic disks, I had to convert back to basic. But the AHCI thing has been no problem for it.
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  8. #38


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    I used to have triple boot to XP, Vista & Win7 but never got into Linux or Mac. Back in the day I did a lot of playing around with multiple HDs and partitions within the various HDs, RAID, VMs, etc. Finally got to a point where I just wanted to keep it simple and now only have 3 PCs, with one OS on each ... W8, Win7 & Vista. Have got a couple of real oldies for memorabilia, but still working ... one with Win98. Can't bring myself to ditch it.
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  9. #39


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    I used to have triple boot to XP, Vista & Win7 but never got into Linux or Mac. Back in the day I did a lot of playing around with multiple HDs and partitions within the various HDs, RAID, VMs, etc. Finally got to a point where I just wanted to keep it simple and now only have 3 PCs, with one OS on each ... W8, Win7 & Vista. Have got a couple of real oldies for memorabilia, but still working ... one with Win98. Can't bring myself to ditch it.
    I know what you mean, on both scores. Have to tell you though, that I would have NO trouble ditching Win 98! I refurbed an old HP, a few years ago, and used its Re-Install disk... which turned out to be Win ME, about the same thing. I gave that one away faster than you can say BSOD!
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  10. #40


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    Quote Originally Posted by DJRoff View Post
    I know what you mean, on both scores. Have to tell you though, that I would have NO trouble ditching Win 98! I refurbed an old HP, a few years ago, and used its Re-Install disk... which turned out to be Win ME, about the same thing. I gave that one away faster than you can say BSOD!
    Yeah totally understand that one. The annoying thing about W8 is how difficult M$ have made everything for desktop users. Such as a simple thing like booting into safe mode with F8 where you need to do a BCDEdit or use a third party app. It seems to be an endless litany of work-arounds and third party software to get it back to the efficiency of operation that existed in Win7.

    In general terms PCs have only ever really been a hobby for me, aside from the actual work jobs I do on them like spread sheets for tax work, banking, music and movie editing, etc. I have no formal education in PCs aside from a few odd units from yesteryear when doing Electronic Engineering; and they're all prehistoric now. By no means do I have an in-depth, comprehensive range of knowledge.

    I really only did things that needed to be done to make the PC work the way I wanted it to work; unless something got my attention and became a challenge or a curiosity. What I do know I know well, but there are a lot of gaps. And I could never get into it again like formal tertiary study, which would take all the fun out of it. All the repair work I've done for others was really to satisfy my own learning and interests. So they benefitted and so did I.

    And sometimes I hope I'm not putting other person's data at risk. I recently fixed a late model Dell desktop with RAID setup for a friend. It wouldn't boot up. And after a lot of work with no joy was on the point of reloading, albeit losing his data. Then purely by chance when rummaging through the BIOS I discovered the disk config was AHCI instead of RAID. Changed it back and hey presto, all good! A month later without him doing anything, it changed back to AHCI. Still haven't worked that one out short of spooks, but this time it only took 2 minutes to fix.

    Over the years I've repaired countless PCs pro bona for friends and acquaintances, especially after I retired. And the thing that never ceases to amaze me is why people don't back up their data to external media. It's so easy now with external HDs, flash drives, DVDs, cloud. Then when their PC crashes they fly into a panic at losing their data. One woman had something like 7,000 emails saved, and Outlook Express couldn't delete because the storage deletion temp was over the limit. There was a work around, but I mean, 7,000 emails already!!! And that was the scenario of my friend with the Dell.
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