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Microsoft warns Windows XP users risk 'zero day forever'

  1. #91


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Smart86 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    In that case you said it very nice: suffering the net.
    What are you trying to say ?
    The way I see it is pretty clear.



    It's supposed to be surfing the net, at least if the OS runs normally, no hacks, viruses, etc.

    But you said suffering the net so it means the user suffers from all the attacks and viruses.

    It was mentioned that the OS didn't had any updates installed and good luck with that setup online.

    That's it.
    So what your saying is one should have MS updates and be using some sore of anti virus program / firewall, all working and all up to date , Yes ?
    Question, if I may , do you think its possible not to have any MS updates , no anti-virus , no firewall install and still surf the web ?

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  2. #92


    Delaware, USA
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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit, Windows 7 Pro 64-bit, Windows XP Pro 32-bit, Ubuntu 14.04 64-bit


    [/QUOTE]
    So what your saying is one should have MS updates and be using some sore of anti virus program / firewall, all working and all up to date , Yes ?
    Question, if I may , do you think its possible not to have any MS updates , no anti-virus , no firewall install and still surf the web ?[/QUOTE]

    For about ten minutes...
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  3. #93


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart86 View Post
    So what your saying is one should have MS updates and be using some sore of anti virus program / firewall, all working and all up to date , Yes ?
    Question, if I may , do you think its possible not to have any MS updates , no anti-virus , no firewall install and still surf the web ?
    DJRoff Said
    For about ten minutes...

    Smart86 reply
    There other ways to surf the world wide web without having those programs installed and at the end of the day after each reboot of comp its in good condition . A program like Deep Freeze is actually better for the few folks whom don't do much with computer or care to know all the ins and outs of the WWW
    Last edited by Smart86; 26 Aug 2013 at 16:01.
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  4. #94


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    it surprises me that companies are still using XP on there computers, I work for a large bank in the UK and all our computers are still XP.
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  5. #95


    Microsoft will craft XP patches after April '14, but not for you


    Computerworld - Just because Microsoft doesn't plan on giving Windows XP patches to the public after April 8, 2014, doesn't mean it's going to stop making those patches.

    In fact, Microsoft will be creating security updates for Windows XP for months -- years, even -- after it halts their delivery to the general public.
    Those patches will come from a program called "Custom Support," an after-retirement contract designed for very large customers who have not, for whatever reason, moved on from an older OS.
    Microsoft will craft XP patches after April '14, but not for you - Computerworld
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  6. #96


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    Goodbye, XP. We'll miss you ... I guess ...?

    Well, not to sound flippant or anything. XP was fine for its time when I used it.

    I wonder, in 10 years, are people going to be saying, "I can't believe [insert name of sister/brother/friend/cousin/employer] is still on Windows 7..."
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  7. #97


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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Microsoft will craft XP patches after April '14, but not for you


    Computerworld - Just because Microsoft doesn't plan on giving Windows XP patches to the public after April 8, 2014, doesn't mean it's going to stop making those patches.

    In fact, Microsoft will be creating security updates for Windows XP for months -- years, even -- after it halts their delivery to the general public.
    Those patches will come from a program called "Custom Support," an after-retirement contract designed for very large customers who have not, for whatever reason, moved on from an older OS.
    Microsoft will craft XP patches after April '14, but not for you - Computerworld

    That is a relief. I was really starting to think that MS had lost their minds completely, first putting off productivity and enterprise users with Metro and other craziness in WIndows 8 and then by totally cutting off ANY support for large enterprises which NEED to continue using Windows XP due to complex situations.

    I wonder if Bill gates TOLD Steve this is how it is going to be? LOL
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  8. #98


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    Enterprises can always get support for a few years after a product goes EOL, but it's expensive, and it gets more expensive every half year or so. It's a program designed to give you more time to finish migrations, not to keep running the old stuff indefinitely, so it becomes punitive over time to keep renewing.
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  9. #99


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    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    The registry is obfuscation, (im)pure and (not )simple - its aim to hide the details behind meaningless (i.e. encrypted) guids, classids etc., and bury the nuts and bolts of the OS in nested cascades of obscure CamelCap definitions, obscure variable type values and to create multiple wild goose chases. Oh, and to threaten that any modification of the registry may break the system - which is not an idle threat.

    If the registry were a database optimised for speed and retrieval, it would have been based on SQL server or even the Microsoft Jet database engine in earlier days. As it is, the registry is a bunch of text files that have been slightly mucked around with so that they can't be read straight off a text editor. Parsed through a suitable Microsoft filter, the registry files present a hierarchical structure of the system. Most of the Windows system utilities read off their functionality and properties from the registry. In systems like XP, the registry became so slow that system startups were beginning to feel like wading through glue.

    It could not continue to become the slowest bottleneck in the OS, so in Vista thru Windows 8, the Registry has become less central to starting up the system and keeping it going. The registry is now just another redundant dump for (pointers to) system variables which now reside for rapid access in the hibernation file dumps and reduplicated in the SXS stores. No doubt, it will, in a few iterations of Windows, be superseded by some less accessible binary files - the registry libraries or .rll or similar files.

    Microsoft operating systems have never been fully documented, but as the component parts have to be more accessible to developers in order to create working applications, the framework is more obscured by irreproducible glue than fixings that can be made and unmade. That amorphous glue is the registry.
    Originally the Registry was just designed as a central repository for everything, and everything had nearly full access. There was really no enforcement of organization or access restriction. Over time access to the registry has been weaned off, and Windows 8/RT store apps can't even ACCESS the registry except by registering through APIs. I believe 8.1 may make some changes to the registry, but I think it will continue to exsit in one form or another for the next little while.
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  10. #100


    Very good point fafhrd makes - if the registry were SQL based it could have been indexed for optimisation.. the DBA's here can correct me, but can't say for sure what overhead a SQL API would add but still believe it would be a lot faster, secure and easily accessible than the flat-file based system they currently employ...(Sorry off topic)
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