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Hurry up and wait: Why Microsoft's holding Windows 8.1

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    I'm guessing the use of the term lemon was used to insinuate lack of sales and interest, rather than technical functionality.

    I felt Windows 7 was as close to perfect as MS has gotten out of the box. I was surprised at how great it was right from the outset. Windows 8 is fine, but it has a lot of changes that rub people the wrong way. i find it impossible to recommend 8 without a laundry lists of but's.

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  2. #22


    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    There you go, looks again, Edsel was within the looks at that time, come to think about it, Mona Lisa is not that hot chick either but still...
    I concur about Metro apps and handling of them but luckily it is not all there is to it, otherwise I wouldn't even consider Win8 as a viable system for desktop PC as it is now.
    I just took a screenshot of my desktop just now. Since you guys are so insistent on making it sound like the desktop environment is dead on 8, can you please tell me if I've been imagining my work environment all this time or not?

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  3. #23


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I'm guessing the use of the term lemon was used to insinuate lack of sales and interest, rather than technical functionality.

    I felt Windows 7 was as close to perfect as MS has gotten out of the box. I was surprised at how great it was right from the outset. Windows 8 is fine, but it has a lot of changes that rub people the wrong way. i find it impossible to recommend 8 without a laundry lists of but's.
    Then again, please explain to me this. PC sales were already slumping long before windows 8 came out when 7 was the only option. How does it make sense that had MS come out with windows 7 2nd edition that people would abandon their tablets and go out to buy desktops again by the masses? Explain to me how this logic works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I'm guessing the use of the term lemon was used to insinuate lack of sales and interest, rather than technical functionality.

    I felt Windows 7 was as close to perfect as MS has gotten out of the box. I was surprised at how great it was right from the outset. Windows 8 is fine, but it has a lot of changes that rub people the wrong way. i find it impossible to recommend 8 without a laundry lists of but's.
    Then again, please explain to me this. PC sales were already slumping long before windows 8 came out when 7 was the only option.
    Simple.
    People had already invested in Microsoft's best ever OS, Windows 7.

    More PCs were sold between 2009 - 2012 than between 2003 -2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    How does it make sense that had MS come out with windows 7 2nd edition that people would abandon their tablets and go out to buy desktops again by the masses? Explain to me how this logic works.
    "Windows 7 2nd Edition" couldn't have sold any worse than W8 has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I'm guessing the use of the term lemon was used to insinuate lack of sales and interest, rather than technical functionality.

    I felt Windows 7 was as close to perfect as MS has gotten out of the box. I was surprised at how great it was right from the outset. Windows 8 is fine, but it has a lot of changes that rub people the wrong way. i find it impossible to recommend 8 without a laundry lists of but's.
    Then again, please explain to me this. PC sales were already slumping long before windows 8 came out when 7 was the only option.
    Simple.
    People had already invested in Microsoft's best ever OS, Windows 7.

    More PCs were sold between 2009 - 2012 than between 2003 -2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    How does it make sense that had MS come out with windows 7 2nd edition that people would abandon their tablets and go out to buy desktops again by the masses? Explain to me how this logic works.
    "Windows 7 2nd Edition" couldn't have sold any worse than W8 has.
    Then you admit that the slump in PC sales has more to do with people buying more mobile devices than people hating 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    I just took a screenshot of my desktop just now. Since you guys are so insistent on making it sound like the desktop environment is dead on 8, can you please tell me if I've been imagining my work environment all this time or not?
    Yeah, but try doing that when Microsoft rewrite Visual Studio/ Word/ Excel etc. as single screen Metro apps.

    Of course they'd be mad to do this (until Metro is made into a usable UI), but since the Desktop is presented as a "legacy" environment, presumably the official line is that they'll do exactly that.

    Otherwise why would other software writers create Metro apps, which Microsoft presumably desperately want them to do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post

    Then you admit that the slump in PC sales has more to do with people buying more mobile devices than people hating 8.

    I agree that tablets and mobile devices have far more to do with declining PC sales than Windows 8 ever had. But a huge factor for the slump on PC sales was because many people and corporations ALREADY have PCs so you can't really expect PC sales to keep going up anyway. Windows 8 has mixed reviews, some people love it, some people "h8" it.

    Part of the reason why Windows 7 got better reception was because it was a cure to the Vista disaster and it was a success. Definitely a huge improvement from Vista and XP. Its a real "desktop" OS. It had the bandwagon effect that many were considering it was great so people were more confident on buying new computers installed with it and tablets were much much less popular at that time. In that case, 4 years later, many still do not see a need to replace Windows 7, hence the not so high reception of Windows 8. There is no denying that the Metro interface alienated a number of people and combine that with other things stripped away from Windows 8, this became a target for critics like some of us here, also adding to the reason why a huge number of individuals will stick with 7 or corporations to stick to 7 or XP.

    But had M$ designed Windows 8 better for the likes of most people/ corporations, then it would have gotten a better reception, less critics and corporations still on XP that would skip Windows 7 and upgrade to 8 instead which "could" have made a change on the PC or OS license sales than it is now. Windows 8 just failed to deliver the wow factor that was not on its predecessor.

    About your computing preferences, we all know we don't have the same likes but many of here here tested/owned a copy of the Windows 8 previews and 8.1 but was rather upset that in spite of this new 8.1 upgrade, nothing besides the boot to Desktop and the bogus Start button was added. In fact WEI and the native disc imaging utility were gone on the 8.1 preview. Some of us worry that the future could be more of this stripping away parts of the traditional Desktop environment and further reliance on the cloud services. Its optional for now but we can't say for sure until when.

    Windows 7's support will be there until 2020, still a long time but people will be more confident to let go when an OS better than 8.x is available and many would have been driven to get over with "h8" already.

    But don't worry, Windows 8 machines are still being sold everyday around the world on this very moment. Its just up to them whether they would love it or "h8" it.
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    Hi there
    There are some cars out there that would be an insult to the name Lemon to call them that -- probably the Nr ONE bad car of all time was the old East German Trabant which had a lawnmower size two stroke engine, no fuel pump (was gravity fed), gushed volumes of blue / black smoke depending on the prevailing weather and was made out of PLASTIC. To add insult to injury the citizens of that now fortunately defunct regime had to wait over 12 YEARS (no typo over 12 YEARS) for one of these things that would have you arrested instantly for causing pollution in almost any city today !!.

    It's not the stability of Windows 8 / 8.1 that is the issue -- I think Ms just failed to realize how many businesses and applications still very definitely require a proper desktop OS -- and has been repeated ad Nauseam on these Forums the Mobile phone W8 type of interface just won't cut it for those type of jobs.

    Anyway here's screenshot of the Trabant.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    "Windows 7 2nd Edition" couldn't have sold any worse than W8 has.
    Then you admit that the slump in PC sales has more to do with people buying more mobile devices than people hating 8.
    Your first point can be proven objectively (i.e. more people are buying phones and tablets, than desktops and/or laptops).

    Your second point is subjectively and therefore unprovable.
    However, if people hate W8 they are unlikely to buy it.
    Since sales are dismal, we can hypothesise that people don't love W8 (or at least not enough to pay for it, maybe it is being pirated en masse).

    That said, I think it is unfair to say W8 caused sales to drop.
    IMO, it would be fair to say that W8 did not boost desktop and laptop sales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    "Windows 7 2nd Edition" couldn't have sold any worse than W8 has.
    Then you admit that the slump in PC sales has more to do with people buying more mobile devices than people hating 8.
    Your first point can be proven objectively (i.e. more people are buying phones and tablets, than desktops and/or laptops).

    Your second point is subjectively and therefore unprovable.
    However, if people hate W8 they are unlikely to buy it.
    Since sales are dismal, we can hypothesise that people don't love W8 (or at least not enough to pay for it, maybe it is being pirated en masse).

    That said, I think it is unfair to say W8 caused sales to drop.
    IMO, it would be fair to say that W8 did not boost desktop and laptop sales.
    Hi there
    That logic has about the same validity in saying that in spite of INCREASING sales of Camper Wagons and "Winnebago" type vehicles the sales of Solar Powered Can openers hasn't risen at all -- and we all know how owners of these types of vehicles use every excuse in the book to show how independent they are from relying on anybody else for their supplies.

    Perhaps the drop in sales of Solar Powered Can openers might have something to do with the fact that more people are eating fresh fruit and veg and of course salads these days than relying on "Canned food" so the need for "canned food" is far less (and most canned food I've seen these days has a sort of pull open ring on it like opening a can of beer.

    It's always possible to provide some sort of link between an event and its cause - but too often these are totally incorrect.

    Windows 8 really had NOTHING to do with the number of PC sales -- people who HAVE computers don't need new one's at the moment and often youngsters (new in the market) will buy a tablet and smartphone long before they even THINK of buying a computer - and for many of them those devices are all they need. It's just technological evolution --I mean you don't wander unto a Police Station these days (except in Iceland !!!!) and expect to see the arresting office typing out the Charge / Incident sheet using a typewriter !!!. Perhaps that's probably because like mosty places these days the Police have no money and there's only enough Jail space in the whole country for about 25 people !!! - They have to Lease rooms at a Hyatt Regency Hotel if there's any more need !!.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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