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  1. #91


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    That's something I have never understood? At one time flash storage was expensive and it was a cost consideration. With the prices of SSD drives what they are now, I just don't get why they put out these devices with such limited storage built in?
    So that they can charge you extra for a little bit more.

    Have you noticed how much you get slugged, if you want to upgrade the RAM or HDD on OEM PCs (at Big Retailers)?

    The charge is way out of proportion to the wholesale cost of the parts (and even the retail cost).

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  2. #92


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    That's something I have never understood? At one time flash storage was expensive and it was a cost consideration. With the prices of SSD drives what they are now, I just don't get why they put out these devices with such limited storage built in?
    Definitely boggles the mind... worst still, one can't upgrade.. at least not really
    The drive inside the Surface Pro is a standard mSATA SSD, which might get you thinking about taking your Surface Pro apart and swapping it out for a bigger one.
    Don't even think about it!
    Microsoft used copious quantities of tar-like adhesive to hold the tablet together, a mess which required the iFixit team to use a heat gun and a handful of guitar picks to gain access to the guts of the device.
    (Source: iFixit)So, while it's technically possible to replace the drive, in practice it's far from easy, and one misstep could mean a ruined Surface Pro tablet.
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  3. #93


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    @ Superfly; Even if you get it apart there is no guarantee the drive you swap in will work. The BIOS of the device has to be capable of recognising it and supporting it. There are some manufacturers that use white lists to force you to buy your upgrades from them. The surface was never meant to be upgraded after the fact so that's a big risk in my book. I'm a retired electronic technician and looking at the picture you posted above, taking apart a Surface is not something I'd be in any hurry to do.
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  4. #94


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    @ Superfly; Even if you get it apart there is no guarantee the drive you swap in will work. The BIOS of the device has to be capable of recognising it and supporting it. There are some manufacturers that use white lists to force you to buy your upgrades from them. The surface was never meant to be upgraded after the fact so that's a big risk in my book. I'm a retired electronic technician and looking at the picture you posted above, taking apart a Surface is not something I'd be in any hurry to do.
    Totally agree...one less reason (for me) to get one... I'm an upgrade junkie
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  5. #95


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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    @ Superfly; Even if you get it apart there is no guarantee the drive you swap in will work. The BIOS of the device has to be capable of recognising it and supporting it. There are some manufacturers that use white lists to force you to buy your upgrades from them. The surface was never meant to be upgraded after the fact so that's a big risk in my book. I'm a retired electronic technician and looking at the picture you posted above, taking apart a Surface is not something I'd be in any hurry to do.
    Totally agree...one less reason (for me) to get one... I'm an upgrade junkie
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  6. #96



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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    @ Superfly; Even if you get it apart there is no guarantee the drive you swap in will work. The BIOS of the device has to be capable of recognising it and supporting it. There are some manufacturers that use white lists to force you to buy your upgrades from them. The surface was never meant to be upgraded after the fact so that's a big risk in my book. I'm a retired electronic technician and looking at the picture you posted above, taking apart a Surface is not something I'd be in any hurry to do.
    Totally agree...one less reason (for me) to get one... I'm an upgrade junkie
    none of these devices are upgradable in hardware, look at the ipad, you cannot even take out the battery when it dies, forget even trying the HD
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  7. #97


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    Quote Originally Posted by robinb9 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post

    Totally agree...one less reason (for me) to get one... I'm an upgrade junkie
    none of these devices are upgradable in hardware, look at the ipad, you cannot even take out the battery when it dies, forget even trying the HD
    You're not holding it right!
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  8. #98


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    That's something I have never understood? At one time flash storage was expensive and it was a cost consideration. With the prices of SSD drives what they are now, I just don't get why they put out these devices with such limited storage built in?
    So that they can charge you extra for a little bit more.

    Have you noticed how much you get slugged, if you want to upgrade the RAM or HDD on OEM PCs (at Big Retailers)?

    The charge is way out of proportion to the wholesale cost of the parts (and even the retail cost).


    Most manufacturers begin with some 'standard' specs : RAM is not maxed out to begin with, storage SSD is a small(est) one available. But price is big for the whole device.

    If you buy your own parts, they come way cheaper. Not to mention the expensive OEM hardware upgrades most offer.
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  9. #99


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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Definitely boggles the mind... worst still, one can't upgrade.. at least not really
    The drive inside the Surface Pro is a standard mSATA SSD, which might get you thinking about taking your Surface Pro apart and swapping it out for a bigger one.
    Don't even think about it!
    Microsoft used copious quantities of tar-like adhesive to hold the tablet together, a mess which required the iFixit team to use a heat gun and a handful of guitar picks to gain access to the guts of the device.
    (Source: iFixit)So, while it's technically possible to replace the drive, in practice it's far from easy, and one misstep could mean a ruined Surface Pro tablet.
    The device is glued down so the normal user cannot or should not open.

    It literally is screwed without screws.

    Then if you succeed to open it, the old glue needs to make place for new glue which you should carefully put.

    Indeed, not really worth the upgrade (because of the risks).
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  10. #100


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    Depends on the specifications you require


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    If you buy your own parts, they come way cheaper. Not to mention the expensive OEM hardware upgrades most offer.
    I'm not sure what prices are like in Europe or the US.
    In Australia, you'd be hard pressed to build an "el cheapo" PC for less cost than a pre-built one.

    However, once you enter the "adequate to spectacular" specification PCs, you can definitely build them cheaper yourself.

    Even more so if you are upgrading and have parts that you can use from your old PC (e.g. case, monitor, power supply, HDDs, SSDs, etc.).
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