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Microsoft's Windows 8.1: When will users get the final bit

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    Do you think it is worth it for me to subscribe to TechNet. I am the only person who would use it. I kind of think it is for people who want to have everything Microsoft comes out with immediately. I like to also but I am not sure if it is worth it to me. What exactly are you getting for $200.00?

    I know this is a little off topic but I didn't really want to start a whole new topic for one question that will most likely be answered in one reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiumiento View Post
    Do you think it is worth it for me to subscribe to TechNet. I am the only person who would use it. I kind of think it is for people who want to have everything Microsoft comes out with immediately. I like to also but I am not sure if it is worth it to me. What exactly are you getting for $200.00?

    I know this is a little off topic but I didn't really want to start a whole new topic for one question that will most likely be answered in one reply.
    I just noticed it says TechNet is retiring. Is there anything else that is like TechNet. Not MSDN that is to much money for me for what little I will probably use it for.
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    Quote from article by Mary Jo:

    Microsoft is going to hold off on making available the final Windows 8.1 bits until mid-October 2013 or so. That will be both the general availability date, as well as the ‘launch’ date when new hardware running those bits will be available.”
    Quote from Paul Thurrott:

    I asked Mary Jo about this schedule today and suffice to say she’s got great sources and stands by the information. So why the delay between RTM and GA (general availability, i.e. public availability)?

    My theory is tied back to that information I received in July. I think that Microsoft is in fact going to continue updating Windows 8.1 past the RTM date—just as it did with Windows 8 a year ago, by the way—and artificially buy some time to fix bugs and clean things up. This is akin to a plane that pulls away from the terminal but then doesn’t head out to the runway until later, all the while claiming an on-time departure. That is, the August RTM date is essentially bogus.
    http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/po...ows-81-release

    I suspect the leaks will be hot and heavy now.

    Jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiumiento View Post
    Do you think it is worth it for me to subscribe to TechNet. I am the only person who would use it. I kind of think it is for people who want to have everything Microsoft comes out with immediately. I like to also but I am not sure if it is worth it to me. What exactly are you getting for $200.00?

    I know this is a little off topic but I didn't really want to start a whole new topic for one question that will most likely be answered in one reply.
    You'll have to do it in the next two weeks.

    It's worth it if you want to test things like SERVERS or new office suites -- however these days I doubt whether it's worth the 200 USD if you just want to mess around with the latest release of Windows as Ms will be offering more software on a FREE trial basis.

    Only YOU can know whether the money is worthwhile. In the past it was fine -- but for the future - especially as there is only 12 months left - I'm not so sure now.

    For Home students / hobbyists MSDN is just far too much money -- TechNet was a great system for individuals to set up home computer labs and learn about all sorts of expensive software like servers etc. It's a pity this type of service is being killed off though.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    In Microsoft something just doesn't work:

    According to Foley’s post, Microsoft's Windows 8.1: When will users get the final bits?, Microsoft now plans to complete the development of Windows 8.1—a process that is still called RTM, for release to manufacturing—at the end of August. This is lines up with what I heard in late July, when two sources told me that Windows 8.1 development was a mess and was behind schedule. One confided that he would be shocked if Microsoft made its August RTM promise. (And complained that many members of the team making Windows 8.1 were proceeding with their summer vacation plans regardless.)


    Source http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/po...ows-81-release
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    Windows 8.1 to roll out October 18

    Windows 8.1 will make its official debut on October 18, Microsoft revealed on Wednesday
    Windows 8.1 to roll out October 18 | Microsoft - CNET News
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    We have been testing Win8 in our business and had thought we found a way for IE10 to support both internal legacy IE sites as well as support new HTML5 sites, that was by putting legacy sites into a domain ***.com and ensure compatibility mode is turned on for that domain. We also put new websites into a separate """".com domain and these are displayed in native IE10. All good until the introduction of IE11 and compatibility mode is now gone and they expect developers to change their websites to be compatible. So now we cannot display both legacy and current with a single browser and unless this is fixed then likely another browser will be introduced and associated testing. Gets me thinking that the developers on RT have all moved to develop IE11 as it is another crappy move from Microsoft.

    Anyone have a solution that doesn't include me testing out all legacy applications again on a different browser, or expect me to get 400 developers to upgrade their sites to support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zardoc View Post
    Unfortunately, MS thinks that they put you in the drivers seat with Win 8. and 8.1.

    They let you drive but they hold the steering wheel. In other words they won't apply what users have been complaining about for the past 2 years. There is a big difference between a desktop O/S and a Pad or Phone.

    I don't want a desktop O/S that works like a phone. BTW, why is it still called Windows? Oh, and Jimbo45 hit the nail on the head. You can't even drive IE like you want now!

    Party poopers
    Hi there
    It is probable from your post that you haven't actually TRIED W8.1 yet -- sorry if I'm wrong - but there are a lot of improvements in W8.1 that make it much more suitable as a desktop OS than W8 -- for instance Boot straight to desktop and the selection of the order of which of the two "Start screens" are displayed when you want to navigate to start. You can also disable the corner navigation making the whole desktop much more "Mouse and Keyboard" friendly - although I never had any problem with the corner navigation.

    There will be other improvements too -- please note W8.1 is DIFFERENT to W8 so a lot of the gripes just are Non Applicable or not relevant for W8.1

    My gripe as I've said is that IE11 still has problems but this is nothing to do with the GUI.

    Cheers

    jimbo
    I haven't tried the 8.1 previews either, but I have followed the discussions pretty closely, and it sounds to me like you're right, Jimbo, they've made some major changes that we desktop users will like. Microsoft HAS to be listening, to do otherwise would be suicide.

    I do think that releasing 8.0 the way they did was a bit of a mis-step, because out of the box, it was simply not that functional, and even a bit unstable. And it would certainly NEVER have been suitable for business use, the way XP and 7 still are. After many tweaks, hacks, and customization (and 50+ updates), I've grown to like it. But there are lots of folks who gripe about ANY change, and will never be happy unless MS comes out with Windows 7.2!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zardoc View Post
    Unfortunately, MS thinks that they put you in the drivers seat with Win 8. and 8.1.

    suitable for business use, the way XP and 7 still are.
    I'd like to ask what is "Business use"?

    I go to work, I use Outlook, TN5250, IBM Access, Notepad ++, Excel and Word. Very occasionally I'll use Project or some other program but generally I'll remember the name if I need it. In what way does 8 make this difficult for you?

    I'm not trying to be difficult - I hated moving from 5250 to Windows 3.1 but I can not see why 8 is worse when it makes the admin easier than 7.
    Last edited by Brink; 28 Aug 2013 at 15:13. Reason: fixed quote
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zardoc View Post
    Unfortunately, MS thinks that they put you in the drivers seat with Win 8. and 8.1.

    suitable for business use, the way XP and 7 still are.
    I'd like to ask what is "Business use"?

    I go to work, I use Outlook, TN5250, IBM Access, Notepad ++, Excel and Word. Very occasionally I'll use Project or some other program but generally I'll remember the name if I need it. In what way does 8 make this difficult for you?

    I'm not trying to be difficult - I hated moving from 5250 to Windows 3.1 but I can not see why 8 is worse when it makes the admin easier than 7.
    Windows 8 is fine with today's software. If (as MS surely want) everything gets rewritten in Metro, then tomorrow's software on Windows 8 will be much less useful - imagine if your Outlook, Excel and Word were all full-screen Metro versions...
    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    I'm not trying to be difficult - I hated moving from 5250 to Windows 3.1 but I can not see why 8 is worse when it makes the admin easier than 7.
    Is that 5250 as in old IBM 5251 terminals? With chunky Twinax (was that what they were called?) cables connecting them?
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