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Users tell Microsoft: We hate Windows 8 touchscreen PCs

  1. #81


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    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alkaufmann View Post
    Betamax, I still remember how much I paid for that VCR. :-( Then there was the HD or Blu-Ray and I chose HD. Another expensive mistake. :-( I did eventually choose Windows 8 so going by my record it must be doomed. :-( I think 8.1 will be a success, I won't need to choose it. :-)

    Technically BetaMax had the superior picture quality over VHS, but lacked the 6 hr record/play time of VHS. BetaMax had 5 hr.

    Sony failed because it didn't make licensing easier and cheaper for other electronics companies to implement, not because of the technical differences. Panasonic willingly licensed their format to many other companies.


    Before Apple and Microsoft came on the scene Sony was the "cool" company, and Panasonic was the "big" company when it came to electronics, each did certain things very well and other less well. Sony = Apple, while Panasonic = Microsoft in my view. Interesting case study here.


    When it comes to touch screens I have nothing against them...when they are utilized in a practical and sensible manner, which means that for phones and tablets that interface is perfect, when it comes to productivity and desktop and laptop PCs it is NOT a reasonable OR practical interface. We are not alone the overwhelming majority of consumers have spoken, they don't want touch on their PC. Period.
    Hi there
    agree about SONY dropping the ball so many times I'm amazed they are STILL in existence.

    The Minidisc format was great -- had recording properties as well - but they used a CLOSED PROPRIETARY format ATRAC3 - far superior to MP3 in almost every way but nobody else could use it so it died the death.

    They invented the idea of portable music with the walkmans - however they were "Run out of Town" by the IPOD.

    Their Minidisc Walkman's (far better than the old tape stuff) had ridiculous restrictions on moving / copying music to other devices - they had some ridiculous "Check in / Check out" systems and stuff was so riddled with DRM that people just gave up -- this happened about the time the IPOD (note NOT IPAD !!) was created and in every way the ipod was more convenient for portable music than the Minidisc. - R.I.P Atrac and minidisc.

    Blu Ray is still hobbled by watching restrictions and with advent of fast bandwidth Internet - it's easier to watch content now via smart TV's etc.

    Just as the LARGE monitor and SMART TV market is improving SONY exits the TV business and its PC business is also on the "extinction warning notice".

    Even DVD's had the totally ludicrous "Regional encoding" scheme -- totally B/S if you travelled a lot and the encryption encoding was controlled by the FIRMWARE -- after 3 changes it would be permanently locked. - Things like VLC player didn't have the ability to change the encoding "on the fly" back then. Sony was a major contributor to this totally B/S scheme - I suspect a huge amount of Piracy was caused by this -- and once you've got used to downloading FREE (Pirate) movies it's hard to to start paying again.

    Sony only now survives because it still has a license in the Movie business -- otherwise it should be a TEXTBOOK case of how to totally RUIN a surviving business.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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    Insane DRM schemes ...


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Sony was a major contributor to this totally B/S scheme - I suspect a huge amount of Piracy was caused by this ...
    Agreed.
    Insane DRM schemes encourage Piracy.

    Not to mention that people love sitting through 10 minutes of FBI lectures, before the movie they paid for starts.
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  3. #83


    In short, this article uses the exact same logic as UFO = alien crafts from another galaxy even though the U clearly stands for unidentified.

    The slump in PC sales have a direct correlation with the rise in sales of mobile devices. But somehow, the writer of the article ignored this fact and just made a leap in logic.
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    Leave the aliens out of this. Those lil chits are everywhere and we don't want to tick them off.
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    Unrelated to overall PC sales


    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    The slump in PC sales have a direct correlation with the rise in sales of mobile devices. But somehow, the writer of the article ignored this fact and just made a leap in logic.
    Pot calling the kettle black?
    A look at the current laptop best-seller list on Amazon bears out that people aren't buying touchscreen laptops. None of the top ten laptops have touchscreens. The top ten include Chromebooks as well as Macs. But if you look at the top ten best-selling Windows notebooks, none have touchscreens, either.

    This has nothing to do with overall PC sales (unless you suggesting that everyone who didn't buy a PC/notebook would have bought a touchscreen equipped one).

    Regardless of the overall sales numbers, "None of the top ten laptops have touchscreens."
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  6. #86


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    Using this same logic...

    Top 10 Best-Selling Cars: July 2013 - KickingTires

    Clearly people hate cars that are fast (Corvette, Mustang), Luxury (BMW, Cadillac, Lexus), or Green (Prius, Volt)
    Because none of those cars made the Top 10 List of best sellers in past 6 months, either.

    Did y'all look at the pricepoint of the Top 10 Laptops? < $375 was about average...
    Also, clicking on it (today) you will see that the Yoga is #9, and that is touchscreen
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    Price is a factor, but ...


    Price is a factor, but it isn't the only factor.

    Here is a screenshot that I just took from Amazon.
    Click image for larger version

    Ignoring the MacBooks, we can see that the best selling touchscreen model (ASUS X202E-DB21T - ranked #14) is actually cheaper than 4 non-touchscreen models that are selling in larger numbers (at the time of the screenshot).

    IMO, the Lenovo IdeaPad Yoga 13 13.3-Inch Convertible Touchscreen Ultrabook (ranked #18) is selling surprisingly well, considering its cost.
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    Why exactly is it that some people seem to believe that touch is being forced on them? You are not forced to touch your screen, unless you're using a tablet or phone. You can use a keyboard and mouse just fine. Touch is just another form of input, just like a keyboard and mouse are. You use it if you want. Some people don't even have a mouse on their system, they use only keyboard.. Do you think it's fair for them to complain that there's a mouse? Since they see no need for one?

    Metro is not a touch UI. It's a UI that works for many input types, including keyboard, mouse, and touch. You can use it entirely from the keyboard if you want, no mouse, no touch. This is just plain stupid, idiotic, and obsessive on the touch haters parts. Why do you hate something that you are not forced to use AT ALL IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO?
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  9. #89


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post

    If you are really unbiased, try it out using touch on a large widescreen desktop monitor for long periods of time, every day over a 6 month period. Or a laptop for several hours a day on your lap in a cramped environment like a plane. Tablets and especially mobile phones ... sure, fine!
    False dilemma. Windows 8 works perfectly fine with a keyboard and mouse. The false dilemma you created is that windows 8 must be used with a touch screen. How do you explain the following screenshot?



    Repeat after me. Just because a system gives you the option to use a certain input device doesn't mean someone is holding a gun to your head and force you to use that input device.

    There is a built in voice to text function. Are you going to argue that MS is holding a gun to your head and force you to use voice to text instead of the keyboard?

    There is a built in UI for blind people. Are you going to argue that MS is holding a gun to your head and you have to use your PC like a blind person?

    Are you even aware of how ridiculous your line of argument sounds? Just because you have the option to use touch on windows 8 doesn't mean you have to use touch on windows 8. My workstation i7 dual monitor system works fine with no touch and just keyboard and mouse. I just looked behind me. No MS hitman holding a gun to my head and forcing me to use touch on a desktop.
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  10. #90


    Touchscreen is good on Tablets, not PCs.
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