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Goodbye Windows 8, hello Windows 8.1

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    My understanding that WEI (useless as it is) is still there but it is hidden and could be started manually. Libraries, I newer even understood what actually were handy for. As for drive imaging utility, I guess it couldn't stand up to competition from third party Apps so it was, kill it or make it better, so they took the easy way out. Frankly never had any use for those 3 thhings.

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  2. #82


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    Don't you guys think that Windows 8.1 should have been cleaned up more? I mean I'm sure there are a bunch of files and folders that are never used but still get carried over with every Windows release. I still see some XP icons in there lol.

    Or is that difficult for the Windows team to do that? It probably won't happen in Windows 8.x but Windows 9 should be completely cleaned up from useless codes, dlls, newer icons and all that stuff. Unless they have already planned to rewrite Windows which would be nice.

    I guess it would take maybe 5 years. Remember the whole rewriting thing from Longhorn to Vista?
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  3. #83


    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMasterFX View Post
    Don't you guys think that Windows 8.1 should have been cleaned up more? I mean I'm sure there are a bunch of files and folders that are never used but still get carried over with every Windows release. I still see some XP icons in there lol.

    Or is that difficult for the Windows team to do that? It probably won't happen in Windows 8.x but Windows 9 should be completely cleaned up from useless codes, dlls, newer icons and all that stuff. Unless they have already planned to rewrite Windows which would be nice.

    I guess it would take maybe 5 years. Remember the whole rewriting thing from Longhorn to Vista?
    My sentiments too. I think that insisting on compatibility with older systems is keeping most of that stuff in. One clean, mean system with built in virtual machine that can automatically instantly switch when legacy software is used would give SW developers chance to make smaller, faster programs. At some time they'll have to brake away from all that obsolete stuff. If I was Microsoft boss, I would now form a "Future team", let them make a barebone OS with just a hint of UI, circulate it to developers an let them go hog wild with it. After that I would pick up the best of stuff , pay them what they deserve and let public vote on the right combination or just decide by themselves which parts to use. Even now, most of the applets that come with the windows can be replaced by freeware better than windows ones.
    And the size, XP was barely 700MB that could be parred to 500 or so, Win 8 is what, 3.5 GB on installation disk. Well, excuse me but I don't think that W8 is 5 times better than XP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMasterFX View Post
    Don't you guys think that Windows 8.1 should have been cleaned up more? I mean I'm sure there are a bunch of files and folders that are never used but still get carried over with every Windows release. I still see some XP icons in there lol.
    The problem is, there are many legacy applications that depend on many of those things being there. Even things like icons. They assume a certain icon is in the system, and if it's not there the app may crash. So Microsoft has to be very judicious about what they remove.

    Now, for something like RT, I think they could probably remove a lot of that.. but I think they want to keep RT and 8.x more or less identical other than compiling for ARM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    W8.1 is so much better that I can't really see why so many people are mouthing the same complaints as with W8 -- seems to be they are just behaving like those Call Centre people - mouthing text from prepared scripts --W8.1 is a DIFFERENT ANIMAL to W8.
    Lol. As I have been saying all along, this is an ongoing process. Windows will be refined and improved, over the next 5 - 10 years. You have to consider WinRT/Metro as if it were "Windows 1.0", which if you know anything about Windows 1.0 was pretty limited in what it could do. Although I would say that WinRT/Metro is already 10x further along than Windows 1.0 was.

    Any new product starts out with a simple set of features, and as time goes on it grows and evolves. Your favorite app platform, SAP, didn't start out where it is today. Version 1 of SAP was nowhere near as compelling. You have to trust that WinRT will evolve to be a full featured API that provides the same functionality as Win32 does today, but that this process may take some time. Eventually, Win32 will become a virtual machine running under WinRT and maybe in 20 years it will go away altogether.. but.. we're in a transition period and transition always means pain. Either you go with the transition, and deal with it... (early adopter) or you stick with the legacy until you can't anymore. Or you switch to something else.

    Regardless, all the people whining and complaining about the change are just tilting at windmills. Windows as we know it is going away, and it really has very little to do with tablets or phones.. Although they do have a role to play in the reasons. The real reason is simply to make Windows truly cross platform. And this is just the first steps on a journey which will include not only Desktops, Phones, and Tablets, but also servers and other devices like Microsoft's Sync system in cars. They don't want to be limited to x86/64 based CPU's.

    No matter how much people complain, the change to WinRT will not stop, because Microsoft has bet the farm on this. It is a long-term strategy that will take years to play out, and they may have short term losses because of it. But they're no stranger to this. They did the same thing wind Windows NT, which took 8 years to go from first release to first consumer release (XP) (and you should have heard all the complaining then about the Fisher price UI, and how all the old device drivers didn't work, and many apps weren't compatible).

    The difference this time is that Microsoft is rolling out the new OS to consumers right away, in the hopes of kick starting the WinRT economy.. That may fail, but it won't stop the progression of Win32 to WinRT in the long run.
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    Anyone ever think why? Where are the big tech corps going? What future are they trying to shape for the users? It is pretty obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Anyone ever think why? Where are the big tech corps going? What future are they trying to shape for the users? It is pretty obvious.

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    Honestly I am not sure that matters that much.

    A lot of them are going BYOD and Virtualization.
    Work from home and field users

    This reduces the cost and burden of in-house support on outside devices.

    So, really, in the long run, what is running on devices for the Big Corps becomes less important.
    As long as they can get in through Citrix or other means, doesn't matter what device it is.

    People still do like Windows. And in the grand scheme of things, it's still a better option for tablets over what is out there now, which are all STILL VERY limited in what they can be used for, outside of work, or even for work software that may not run well in a remote virtual environment.

    Things are changing,,, but no, Linux and Mac will not make strong head way even now,

    1.) Macs/iPads are over priced for what they offer

    2.) Linux is still too underwhelming in supportability of good apps and use over all.

    Windows is here to stay for a long time, what they may have to offer in the near future remains to be seen,
    I don't think they are going to go the way of pure cloud OS anytime soon though.
    Or take away the desktop either. that would be a bad move on MS part.

    As for doing something with Win32 Virtual Desktop,, hmmm,, could be, that would probably be a smart move.
    RT is too limiting in the long run, even for the price. If they want to out do iPad, Android and whatnot, they need to provide the means to run some 3rd party type desktop apps.

    If people would realize the potential of the Win8 Tablets on the Pro side, trust me, iPad/Android would go down in flames.

    But so much BS is thrown out there that the average joe who dosent' understand or know the difference, or are just lemmings to the
    "I gotta have what everyone else has" attitude.

    No, the lemming comment would not be the same with Windows 8 if everyone flocked to it like they should.
    Because, they would actually be imformed as to why Windows 8 on a tablet, even desktop and laptop are the better choice.
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    @ Jimbo45, Mystere, and Tepid.

    Absolutely brilliant posts IMO. Very well thought out and stated. :thumbup:
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  9. #89


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    Does anybody understand the question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    My question for 8.1 is why was WEI, the Libraries and the native drive imaging utility were removed when they were still on Windows 8 when those are useful features that pose no harm? Otherwise 8.1 would in all aspects (except privacy because of the integrated Bing search feature) will be better than 8?
    WEI is still there and can be ran manually.
    Libraries, not sure never used it.
    Native drive imaging is still there: Windows 8.1 Tip: Use System Image Backup
    Deprecated, yes, but still alive and kicking
    When the Windows 8.1 Preview appeared in June, some upgraders noticed that this new OS version omitted what had previously been a crucial recovery tool: The system image backup that had debuted in Windows 7. But system image backup is indeed available in Windows 8.1. It's just really well hidden.
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