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Goodbye Windows 8, hello Windows 8.1

  1. #51


    Quote Originally Posted by alkaufmann View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    Not only you have to pay an insane amount of money for w8 but you have to do all this hassel???? No wonder why poeple opt for a pirated version.
    That has always been an old argument, if it is cheap enough the pirates will pay for it. The problem is it is never cheap enough and if it is too cheap, they then say its not a good product. I pay for operating systems and I really don't want to be hassled every time I do a clean install.

    Right now I have a subscription to Office 365 and I am allowed installs on up to 5 systems and if when I format a hard drive for a clean install I can tell Microsoft Office to de-activate the install that was on the hard drive. They should offer a similar subscription to their operating system.
    Now that's good idea, would make system transfer much easier. The way it's now, we are actually just renting software and OS and MS keeps all the rights to it, even the right to hassle who ever they want. Also, if they made it impossible to pirate windows, half the world would be running Linux.

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  2. #52


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by alkaufmann View Post
    Right now I have a subscription to Office 365 and I am allowed installs on up to 5 systems and if when I format a hard drive for a clean install I can tell Microsoft Office to de-activate the install that was on the hard drive. They should offer a similar subscription to their operating system.
    I've never understood why there wasn't a built-in tool, which you could use to tell MS that you were uninstalling the OS.
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  3. #53


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Activation has always been a sore point for me, especially back in the day when if you simply added an extra optical drive, larger HD, or more RAM on XP ... you had to re-activate. I had a minor war with M$ Australia over it, when doing a lot of experimenting with multiple partitions and OSs and needed to frequently re-activate. I must admit for the sake of good PR they did offer me a new free upgrade from my current XP Home Upgrade over Win98 ... to XP Pro with SP2 preinstalled on CD.

    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike
    The way it's now, we are actually just renting software and OS and MS keeps all the rights to it, even the right to hassle who ever they want
    Totally agree.
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  4. #54


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Activation has always been a sore point for me, especially back in the day when if you simply added an extra optical drive. larger HD, or more RAM on XP ... you had to re-activate. I had a minor war with M$ Australia over it, when doing a lot of experimenting with multiple partitions and OSs and needed to frequently re-activate. I must admit for the sake of good PR they did offer me a new free upgrade from my current XP Home Upgrade over Win98 ... to XP Pro with SP2 preinstalled on CD.
    For some preinstalled systems on an OEM machine it may not be a problem but for rest of us, that like to experiment, it can really be a pain in you know what. Considering that most of critic and suggestions MS gets from us that play a lot with OS and programs, it would be beneficial for them to have an "experimental" version of windows widely available, with a let's say an obligation to report problems found and/or with time limited to a year or so. I know, it sounds like an alpha or beta version but development of and changes made to OS are an ongoing concern and are happening all the time throughout the operational life of the OS and are largely transferred to the next one.
    All those hassles with activation and such, can only encourage pirating and do not help staying legal at all. In some cases it looks like people can feel actually penalized for paying.
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  5. #55


    Posts : 959
    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    I've never understood why there wasn't a built-in tool, which you could use to tell MS that you were uninstalling the OS.
    I imagine most Windows licences sold are OEM licences which come with PCs, and therefore tied irrevocably to the PC they came on.
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  6. #56


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    For some preinstalled systems on an OEM machine it may not be a problem but for rest of us, that like to experiment, it can really be a pain in you know what. Considering that most of critic and suggestions MS gets from us that play a lot with OS and programs, it would be beneficial for them to have an "experimental" version of windows widely available, with a let's say an obligation to report problems found and/or with time limited to a year or so. I know, it sounds like an alpha or beta version but development of and changes made to OS are an ongoing concern and are happening all the time throughout the operational life of the OS and are largely transferred to the next one.
    All those hassles with activation and such, can only encourage pirating and do not help staying legal at all. In some cases it looks like people can feel actually penalized for paying.
    I think that would be an excellent idea. All of my versions of Windows are retail and either Ultimate or Pro. Win7 cost $479 in the shop. There's always the danger someone will use one of those product number generators and get your disk black listed.
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  7. #57


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    I've never understood why there wasn't a built-in tool, which you could use to tell MS that you were uninstalling the OS.
    I imagine most Windows licences sold are OEM licences which come with PCs, and therefore tied irrevocably to the PC they came on.
    That's fair enough for OEM machines (I guess).
    What if you want to put in an SSD or bigger HDD?

    What about boxed OS discs though?
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  8. #58


    Chicago USA
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    Windows 7 Pro and Windows 8.1 Pro 32 bit and 64 bit


    Quote Originally Posted by dustbuster View Post
    Also, Microsoft blocked start8 software from the 8.1 version. So, bye bye aftermarket start button!
    StartIsBack for Windows 8
    StartIsBack+ for Windows 8.1

    Microsoft didn't block anything. The start8 software will need to be rewritten in order to work with 8.1. I am sure the developers will have it ready by the time 8.1 RTM is released.
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  9. #59


    Posts : 132
    Windows 8.1 Pro WMC


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    I've never understood why there wasn't a built-in tool, which you could use to tell MS that you were uninstalling the OS. [/QUOTE]

    Not quite what I had in mind. I just spent several days re-installing everything I gave because I got a new SSD. If I had to uninstall everything first. well lets just say it is bad enough re-installing everything! M$ Office has a subscription management program which allows you to manage your installs. Problems with the wife, de-activate her!

    The online gaming companies are even worse than Microsoft, I made the mistake of changing my ISP and e-mail address with first changing my account with them. The hoops I was made to jump through for software bought at a retail store was unbelievable.
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  10. #60


    Posts : 959
    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    I've never understood why there wasn't a built-in tool, which you could use to tell MS that you were uninstalling the OS.
    I imagine most Windows licences sold are OEM licences which come with PCs, and therefore tied irrevocably to the PC they came on.
    That's fair enough for OEM machines (I guess).
    What if you want to put in an SSD or bigger HDD?
    I think the official MS line is probably that as long as you make one change at a time, the software recognises it's still the same motherboard etc. and should still activate. In theory at least.
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    What about boxed OS discs though?
    Dunno... but I bet the volume of those sold is fairly small compared to the other routes, and I guess you still have the option of talking to a human about activation?
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