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Goodbye Windows 8, hello Windows 8.1

  1. #31


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    To all of those who think you can't live without the start menu, I highly encourage you to try to go a month without the start menu. Give the search function a chance.

    When I first got 8, the first thing I did was install classic shell. After 3 months with 8, I noticed something. I never touch the start menu at all. I use visual studio on a regular basis. got half a dozen apps in the winstore. All I do to launch visual studio is type in visual studio really fast in the search and enter. That is a lot quicker than go through the start menu.

    You really should give it a chance. Don't just go on with the preconceived notion that you will hate it. Really give it a chance.

    And jimbo, I remember you complaining a while back that you couldn't find visual studio in the search function. Is this correct?

    Hi there

    No -- I think it was that unless you are warned - applications on W8.1 go to the APPLICATION screen not the start screen so after installing stuff if you look on the START screen you won't see it.

    You can set the navigation to show the applications screen when you navigate to Start so it's much BETTER - but if you aren't aware of the change you could be confused as to where you application has gone !!. (Of course after installation you CAN pin to start menu if you really want to).

    If you MUST have a menu the custom toolbars work just fine but a menu isn't really necessary IMO for the typical number of applications a user has -- just pin to taskbar and / or desktop and set Boot straight to desktop.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I could have sworn I read one of your posts where you complained that you couldn't find visual studio or something like that in the search function.

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  2. #32


    In the post #23 Jimbo made very valid arguments. I personally use one (main) computer with Win8 (just waiting for full and final version of 8.1) and another one with 8.1 installed, (actually 2, but one is in the basement) and have no trouble switching between them, actualy not even paying attention to differences. it's just no big deal at all. Just see no reason for people getting their panties (or shorts) in knots.
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  3. #33


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    Ms doesn't BLOCK software -- that's one of the reasons Windows was such a successful platform -- anybody can write applications for it.

    If Ms really wanted to block software it surely would prevent things like Utorrent from running wouldn't it. Just because a program fails to run on a newer version of windows doesn't mean it's been blocked -- often older programs don't run on newer versions of the OS for all sorts of legitimate reasons such as calls to features that have been changed or don't exist any more etc-- that's one of the major uses of Virtual Machines where a previous version of the OS can be kept running while using the current version.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Jimbo, ya know what's interesting, I tried to install uTorrent on a system a week ago, that I had just installed Windows 7 onto - And it was BLOCKED. I think it was IE 11, which has that Smart Protection thing.

    I have no intention of installing 8.1 at all at this point. I think what will happen when it gets released, if we find out that Start8 is blocked, it will PISS OFF a lot of people and they'll just stick with Windows 8.

    There really isn't anything wrong with 8, not for me. But I won't be FORCED to use any OS I don't want. So far, the Problems I've read about here by people installing 8.1 preview have already made me decide not to ever use it.
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  4. #34


    Hafnarfjörđur IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    Ms doesn't BLOCK software -- that's one of the reasons Windows was such a successful platform -- anybody can write applications for it.

    If Ms really wanted to block software it surely would prevent things like Utorrent from running wouldn't it. Just because a program fails to run on a newer version of windows doesn't mean it's been blocked -- often older programs don't run on newer versions of the OS for all sorts of legitimate reasons such as calls to features that have been changed or don't exist any more etc-- that's one of the major uses of Virtual Machines where a previous version of the OS can be kept running while using the current version.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Jimbo, ya know what's interesting, I tried to install uTorrent on a system a week ago, that I had just installed Windows 7 onto - And it was BLOCKED. I think it was IE 11, which has that Smart Protection thing.

    I have no intention of installing 8.1 at all at this point. I think what will happen when it gets released, if we find out that Start8 is blocked, it will PISS OFF a lot of people and they'll just stick with Windows 8.

    There really isn't anything wrong with 8, not for me. But I won't be FORCED to use any OS I don't want. So far, the Problems I've read about here by people installing 8.1 preview have already made me decide not to ever use it.
    Hi there

    UTorrent doesn't use IE11 -- IE11 or more probably the ISP might have blocked the torrent SITE you were trying to use -- the default setting for IE11 tends to have the security rather too high -- you can easily adjust it (turn off enhanced security - or some option like that) - however all utorrent does is download the files from the TRACKERS - which if they are being blocked by IE11 / firewalls - that's totally another issue.

    There's plenty of reasons to LIKE or DISLIKE any OS - but at least one should present VALID criticisms.

    I don't have any trouble with reaching the sites or using uTorrent with IE11 -- my main problem with IE11 is some of the rendering on various web sites doesn't work properly -


    IE11 on W8.1 Enterprise version X-64 accessing Pirate bay and utorrent. If the site is blocked in your country that's another matter and nothing to do with IE11.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #35


    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    To all of those who think you can't live without the start menu, I highly encourage you to try to go a month without the start menu. Give the search function a chance.
    I also been running the 8.1 preview and have run without Start8 on it for a few weeks. I capitulated yesterday and put the Start8 beta back on the preview so I could make sure it truly was working before I made the post (#27) above.

    That said, the 8.1 preview is the best start menu implementation I have seen from Microsoft, without using an add-on. I think it's almost there. In fact with Start8, you can unselect the Windows 7 style menu and choose the Windows 8 style menu, which effectively removes many of the functions of Start8 without having to uninstall it. I can almost live without Start8, using the Windows 8.1 preview as it currently stands.

    Also kudos to jumbo for post # 23! I think it's one of the most fair assessments of the 8.1 preview I've seen so far!
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  6. #36


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    Posts : 8
    Windows 8


    I love windows 8. I don't know what's wrong with the user interfrace about windows 8. 8.1 is also cool. I used it for a while, but then downgraded back to 8. But I loved it. I just didn't wanted to use the preview. Well the start screen is awesome.
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  7. #37


    Hafnarfjörđur IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    To all of those who think you can't live without the start menu, I highly encourage you to try to go a month without the start menu. Give the search function a chance.

    When I first got 8, the first thing I did was install classic shell. After 3 months with 8, I noticed something. I never touch the start menu at all. I use visual studio on a regular basis. got half a dozen apps in the winstore. All I do to launch visual studio is type in visual studio really fast in the search and enter. That is a lot quicker than go through the start menu.

    You really should give it a chance. Don't just go on with the preconceived notion that you will hate it. Really give it a chance.

    And jimbo, I remember you complaining a while back that you couldn't find visual studio in the search function. Is this correct?
    Hi there
    It wasn't the SEARCH - it was before I understood that applications in W8.1 are installed to the APPLICATION screen and not the start screen - so I was surprised after going to the start screen and couldn't see the application I'd just installed.

    However I set START to navigate to the APPLICATION screen first -- and I boot directly to desktop so I NEVER need to see the Metro junk or even use it.

    Apart from movies I rarely need to work in FULL SCREEN mode -- especially if I've only got ONE monitor. The other B/S with METRO is that say you have 3 monitors - why can't you run TWO Metro apps on different monitors (one each in full screen mode) and the 3rd for example for classical windows applications.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. #38


    Posts : 132
    Windows 8.1 Pro WMC


    I followed advice and installed the 8.1 preview on an old machine. Everything installed fine, even some unknown device that Windows 7 not could install was working. This 8.1 started up much faster than Windows 7 and everything works fine. The only thing I did not like was that I had to sign on to my system with a Microsoft e-mail account and I could not change that even after 8.1 installed. I read here somewhere that the RTM version will not have this requirement. I hope so because I know corporations that have machines they never connect to the Internet because of privacy and/or security concerns.

    I think 8.1 is a bit better than 8 and I will wait until the release update appears in the store.
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  9. #39


    Quote Originally Posted by alkaufmann View Post
    The only thing I did not like was that I had to sign on to my system with a Microsoft e-mail account and I could not change that even after 8.1 installed.
    It is not a requirement you can change it to a local account
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  10. #40


    Posts : 132
    Windows 8.1 Pro WMC


    I did try to create a local account with administrator rights and it would not let me do that. I wanted to delete the Microsoft account log in. Considering all the e-mails I get that look like they come from the "MS Team" threatening to close my account unless I provide them all my details as well as my password, I do not consider my MS e-mail account as secure.

    When I installed 8.1 I was called by phone and given a number to enter to verify my identity. All the security in the world will not work if the Microsoft people tape their passwords to the monitor or the desk.


    The 8.1 update won't work on my machine if I am required to use a Microsoft e-mail account to log in to my machine; I have a username and a password.
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