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Goodbye Windows 8, hello Windows 8.1

  1. #111

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    Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 + Windows 8.1 Pro with WMC x86

    They also stripped away the ''Dial my default connection'' option, and the option of making a(ny) connection default too. They left the GUI for that in Internet Options intact though, it just doesn't work. At all.

    As my Windows 8 connects to the net in this fashion precisely, over WiFi and ADSL, I don't think I will be updating - my Windows 8 system this time. And my computer #1 will remain on Windows 7 while it lives.

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  2. #112

    Posts : 120
    Windows 8.1 + StartIsBack + AeroGlass

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    Yea...defending Win8/8.1 by talking about what is right with it is getting to be a real chore. Mainly because Microsoft doesn't seem to get what's still wrong with it and how it could be further improved to almost everyone's liking. It's disheartening to think that so many folks right here in these forums seem to have the right/wrong-ness of Win8/8.1 covered, while Microsoft still doesn't seem to understand the issues as its customers see them.
    Whether or not the current start screen concept stays, the old start menu will never return. If you think that complaining loud enough will bring it back, you really don't understand the reasons it was removed. It's not just a matter of personal taste. There are functional and technical reasons for its removal, not to mention some legal ones as well.

    Apart from the fact that vertical menus make no sense when you have twice as much space horizontally (most monitors these days are 1920x1080), and that tiny menus are extremely difficult to use with non-mouse/keyboard inputs (not just touch, but gestures, game controllers, TV Remotes, etc.. Imagine trying to select an app in a start menu using a Kinect-like interface from your couch), but they're also very difficult for people with disabilities to use, which makes the classic start menu a target for a Americans With Disabilities Act lawsuit.

    Then factor in the fact people are installing hundreds, if not thousands of apps nowadays, and your vertical space gets even more tiny.

    This was the same reason for the Ribbon. The ever expanding number of functions in Office were simply becoming impractical for menus.. They literally had to take 50+% of the functions off the menus, because there just wasn't room. Menus as a general construct are essentially becoming extinct.
    So basically every ISV creating UI for mouse and keyboard with "tiny" menus, buttons and controls is a target for a lawsuit?

    The lengths some people will go to defend that which cannot be defended.
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  3. #113

    I have / had a bit different approach to link sorting. Ever since I got so many programs installed that normal start menu begun to take couple of screens or endless scrolling I put links in desktop folders sorted by thematic, ie. Tools, MM, Testing, Office, Comms, Graphics, Pictures, Music etc. Sorting them like that was a bit difficult and time consuming in Start Menu so I stopped using it all together. Now, in W8 I also sort them like that, except now once I made named groups of tiles, it takes just one move with the mouse to put them in right places. I don't know about you guys but I can't always remember the exact name of a particular program, not even the first letter but always know which kind of program I need, so have just to glance at that group and by icon looks or name find it in no time. Maybe it could be a bit more comforting if the tiles looked more like icons. They would look more familiar than and would meet less resistance.
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  4. #114

    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by mcnulty View Post
    So basically every ISV creating UI for mouse and keyboard with "tiny" menus, buttons and controls is a target for a lawsuit?

    The lengths some people will go to defend that which cannot be defended.
    If you're big enough, yes. And sometimes even if you're not. ADA lawsuits are all the rage, and are rampant.

    There's even law firms devoted to defending these. For instance. Help for Defendants in Unreasonable ADA Lawsuits


    Cracking down on ADA lawsuit abuse | CalWatchDog

    It's a very real situation, and if you think this is a frivolous reason, you should ask companies like Target about this.

    Target Settles Accessibility Lawsuit - ADA Linked to Websites in California |
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  5. #115

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    Win 8.1 Pro

    Or small businesses in Cali that are being shutdown due to ADA Lawsuits.

    Landmark Calif. Burger Joint Forced to Shut Down Over ADA Lawsuit | Video |

    ADA lawsuit leads long-time Sac burger business to close | News | Midtown / Downtown / Old Sac / N. Sac News

    Here's the issue though,,,,,,,,, imo, we don't have a right to claim a business deal with us based on anything.
    You can argue discrimination, but that only works on very specific levels.

    Whatever happened to "We reserve the right to refuse service"?

    I guess then,, No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service is also out the window.

    Sorry, if companies like Apple can be so anti-competitve with their products, then people want to trot out MS Monopoly garbage.
    We really are a Planet of Whiners.

    The way I see it,, a company is going to cater to the patrons they wish to serve, that can be a bad thing for that company, cause it can limit them, that is their problem though. Why would anyone want to force a company to deal with them if they are clearly saying, get lost.

    "But But, I WANT TO GIVE YOU MY MONEY, TaKE IT,,,whhaaaaannn whaaan"
    that's pretty dumb.

    There are plenty of other places that you can go to get whatever you want, just cause you can't go one place, doesn't make it a travesty that calls for laws, lawsuits and punishment on that company.

    In other words,, if you don't like the company cause they don't want to cater to you,, take your business and money elsewhere.
    It's called Freedom of choice.

    the other can very quickly devolve into Fascism
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  6. #116

    Posts : 17
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center 64-bit

    Yes, Classic shell is a good mental bridge between old and new Windows, that I use also.
    I have a question about 8.1 upgrade as well as 8 in general.

    Windows 8.1 2 for 1 deal? I'm just trying to get something straight.
    Way back I bought Windows 8 pro disk from store, installed it ,and then got an emailed free Media Center Pack product key. Installed it, so now it uses a different key. I will upgrade to Windows 8.1 when available. Hoping everything will go smoothly from store.
    Could I install the original windows 8 pro disc on another computer legally, but free,
    and then upgrade to 8.1 without problems?
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  8. #118

    Posts : 17
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center 64-bit

    Is the "nope" physically, legally or both?
    As a test, I installed original 8 pro on a different hard drive ( fresh install), on same computer without email account.
    It says it is activated. so now I have Win 8 pro 32 on one drive and Win 8 pro media center 64 on another.
    Both working fine, using same motherboard \processor\memory.
    So you think it won't work on a completely different computer? I'm still willing to give it a try.
    Seems such a waste if free media center is a completely different key, from original.
    I want to reformat an old vista machine.
    If I clone the Win8 pro over sector by sector, won't it still be activated?
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  9. #119

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    Windows 8.1 Pro x64/ Windows 7 Ult x64

    Legally you have only one OS key for use on one machine, the media center is an added feature, not a OS key. Win8.1 is a free update to Win8. Windows EULA states that you can't legally use a previous version of Windows after you update/upgrade it. You need to buy another OS/key for a different machine.

    Cloning to a different machine will not work, the hardware and drivers are different.
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  10. #120

    Posts : 17
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center 64-bit

    Yeah, I guess you are right. Other computer would have too many different components and trigger OS to say something is wrong. Sure wish MS would keep the price of Win 8 at 40 bucks.
    Anyway, looking forward to 8.1

    Thanks and bye 8
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