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Goodbye Windows 8, hello Windows 8.1

  1. #91


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I'm still waiting for some software to become fully compatible with Windows 8.1 before I make the final decision for the transition from 7 to 8.1.

    Mainly I'm waiting on Lenovo to release their Energy Mangement software for Windows 8.1 (very important for my laptop, no release means no Windows 8.1) and Avast 2014 to be released which should be Windows 8.1 certified...other programs can wait.

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  2. #92


    And I'm still waiting for " object oriented computing" and " modular programs " where they would not need registry and would be highly portable. Stuff like this has been promised very long time ago and were taunted as "The next thing that would revolutionize the way we use computers".Java was supposed to be a bridge between platforms but become one of more dangerous things to have on a system. Personally, I like, support and use any portable program that does what is supposed to do, reason is simple, it does not mess with system and is easy to discard and reengage when needed, could be used from another media without leaving traces on the computer it is used on. If all the programs worked like that OS would be much simpler and less vulnerable place.
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  3. #93


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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    The majority of (if not all) programs used to be "portable" before the Registry was introduced.
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  4. #94


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    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    And I'm still waiting for " object oriented computing" and " modular programs " where they would not need registry and would be highly portable. Stuff like this has been promised very long time ago and were taunted as "The next thing that would revolutionize the way we use computers".Java was supposed to be a bridge between platforms but become one of more dangerous things to have on a system. Personally, I like, support and use any portable program that does what is supposed to do, reason is simple, it does not mess with system and is easy to discard and reengage when needed, could be used from another media without leaving traces on the computer it is used on. If all the programs worked like that OS would be much simpler and less vulnerable place.
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  5. #95


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    My question for 8.1 is why was WEI, the Libraries and the native drive imaging utility were removed when they were still on Windows 8 when those are useful features that pose no harm? Otherwise 8.1 would in all aspects (except privacy because of the integrated Bing search feature) will be better than 8?
    None of those were removed per se.

    The underlying WEI system is still there, but the display on Computer Properties is gone. This is most likely because it never really made a lot of sense, and with the trend shifting to phones and tablets that are lower power, the WEI just gets even sillier.

    Libraries are still there. They're just not shown by default. Open Explorer, go to View, click on Navigation Pane, and check "Show Libraries". Now Libraries are always shown, and they default to the save location.

    Native Drive Imagining is also still there, just a little harder to find.
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  6. #96


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    Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows Developer Preview, Linux Mint 9


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post

    Native Drive Imagining is also still there, just a little harder to find.
    The stuff that "is still there, but now a little harder to find" includes the safe boot option and Adhoc networking too. I just hate the stripping away thing they've been doing recently. If they haven't stripped away a number of features present on Windows 7, Windows 8.1 would have been in all means superior but no, somebody on the design team at MS keeps saying, "lets take that and that away because nobody uses them"... Guys at MS who keep making decisions like those need to be fired.
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  7. #97


    "lets take that and that away because nobody uses them"...
    .. that was the argument for removing the start menu as well... how did anybody get around their apps then? Keyboard shortcuts? - how the heck could they say users used it less and less?
    Wilfully spewing garbage like that to promote their touch-orientated user experience is reprehensible! Just wish they could prove their claims before "removing" those utilities that users have become accustomed to..

    BTW why retain WinSAT without a GUI? are people really going to run a cmd rather that click a GUI shortcut? - makes no sense to me..

    ...ah well they have their very special telemetry methods
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  8. #98


    If any of those removed features only made Win smaller or easier to use there could be an excuse but like this.....
    To be honest, most of that stuff I didn't use on regular basis, stat menu the least but sure would be nice to have a direct way to access them.
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  9. #99


    I do appreciate those not needing the start menu...just saying give users the option... like boot to desktop was a welcome addition...
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  10. #100


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Does anybody understand the question?
    Where are they heading? They're already there. Cloud-centric computing where a user obtains an account to store some or all data relevant to their needs. They have been "shaping" this future since the existence of the Inet.

    Correct me if I'm wrong > You and some others are afraid that the industry (or at least major players) will go thin client systems such as what Google is implementing with Chrome and then ultimately to Zero Client. That is nothing new really. Where are the likes of Neoware, Igel Technology, Wyse, Devon IT, VXL, LISCON, and the likes. I don't see them making any big strides. Some businesses have adopted and may adopt it. I heard its a big money saver, for 10% of a IT project is initial software. 90% is maintenance. I'm not a Pro and I wouldn't know if MS offers this. I know they offer VDI.

    Bottom line, the market is the polling place. If you, others, or I purchased and used a mobile device, then we voted for mobile devices. If we purchased and use a touch device, then we voted for touch. If we purchased and bought a thin client device, then we voted for thin client.

    So far as I know all Windows OSs are native. One can log into a local account to use them. One does not need an internet connection to use them. One can obtain discs for upgrades, updates, and SPs via mail. One does not need to obtain or use Microsoft services. The OSs are totally native to the device.

    Are 8 and 8.1 geared for Microsoft Services? Yes they are, and some are on by default. One can turn off the services. Does the average Joe know this? Probably not, but obviously they buy and use a lot of iDevices and/or Androids to do so. They surely voted on that via the marketplace. Therefore, I have to conclude that they really don't care. They seem to love the stuff.

    So to personally answer your question > What is Microsoft up to? They are attempting to get a touch-centric OS to run across multiple devices, whether the device is touch-centric or not, whether mobile or not, in conjunction with Windows Phone 8. They are also attempting to sell cloud services, just as others are. For now, a lot of their cloud services are free, just as others' are. One can store system settings, emails, favorites, contacts, calendar, backgrounds, apps ownership, and the like all for free. Therefore, when one changes items on one device, it changes/syncs on all devices. When one purchases a device it all syncs via MS account. I think when Joe and Sue public learn about this then MS will make great strides in sales. I can hear them now > "Oh! You mean just like on my iDevice and Android?!!"

    Bottom line, if one does not like any or all of them, turn them off to not use them and don't buy them. Don't like the Metro side? Configure it not to use a lot of it. On 8.1 anyway. How simple is that?
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