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Steve Ballmer confesses Microsoft built too many tablets

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcnulty View Post
    goodintentions: If you set out to simply dismiss every reason one can give to explain why people are buying Nexus devices, it's no wonder you fail to understand their success.

    You're not alone though, it's pretty obvious that Microsoft still doesn't grasp the concept of what a tablet should be either.
    I'm not dismissing these reasons. I've no doubt that people think they are buying these devices because of those reasons.

    I was just pointing out that the reasons are a fad. Most people I've interacted with couldn't tell if a screen has a lower resolution or really high resolution. And again, android feels clunky no matter what they've done to it.

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    Microsoft was/is caught between a rock and a hard place so far as the desktop PC OS market is concerned. That market has not flatlined yet, for market analysts are predicting further decline, so what's a mother to do? Stick with what you're doing or change?

    As a computer enthusiast owning a small construction business, one of the big questions I had when I booted up 8RP and saw it for the first time I wondered if businesses would ever adopt it. After a while I began to see the big picture of what MS was trying to accomplish with RT > A walled-gardened cloud-dependent (device/server) system to run across multiple devices in conjunction with Windows Phone 8. IMO, that's one better than their competition is doing, which, BTW, has developed what? > Walled-gardened cloud-dependent (device/server) systems. Who here does not have at least one device that is so? Let's all face the fact that they're all seeking that market. Societies and businesses have and will continue to go mobile. Apple and Google have proven their is huge profits to be made.

    Along the lines of the thread title > MS jumped the gun and made too many Surface RTs thinking it would be a better seller. A rather costly mistake for sure. I'm sure they won't live in the problem, but rather find a solution. They may discount to sell at a loss and write it off. They may donate some or all to schools and write them off.

    A question to all > If MS developed 8 liken to their past traditional desktop OSs who would they sell them to? And the OEMs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    A question to all > If MS developed 8 liken to their past traditional desktop OSs who would they sell them to? And the OEMs?

    How did Microsoft become the behemoth that it is now? What has created the most cash flow for them?

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Windows for desktops has been the companies bread and butter for many years, and is the biggest contributor to Gates and Balmer being as wealthy as they are today. It goes without saying that Microsoft would continue with this same trend by simply allowing Win8/8.1 users the ability to switch to a Win7 look and feel (with the improvements of Win8) if the user chooses to do so. And that option should include the traditional start button and menu that people are complaining about.

    It seems like a no brainer that Microsoft could stop the bloodshed of money they are losing by implementing this one little thing. They would see sales shoot through the roof, and an added benefit would be the revival of the desktop/laptop market. All these builders would be putting what onto their machines?

    You asked who would buy it..... well, nearly everyone would buy it. You would see mass adoption like you saw with Win7. Why Microsoft doesn't see this is ridiculous. But they have their feet planted firm and are reluctant to budge. I guess that's fine if their goal is to edge closer to bankruptcy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    A question to all > If MS developed 8 liken to their past traditional desktop OSs who would they sell them to? And the OEMs?
    Fair question. If they had merely re-released a win7 with without anything new, there would not have been much point. That said, they could have built on and improved the win7 type model, and people would have bought it. Indeed, I dare say sales would have been better than what they are now experiencing. But, they didn't do that, and now they are in deep trouble. Did they learn anything...?? Only time(or win9) will tell...
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  5. #35


    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    A question to all > If MS developed 8 liken to their past traditional desktop OSs who would they sell them to? And the OEMs?
    Fair question. If they had merely re-released a win7 with without anything new, there would not have been much point. That said, they could have built on and improved the win7 type model, and people would have bought it. Indeed, I dare say sales would have been better than what they are now experiencing. But, they didn't do that, and now they are in deep trouble. Did they learn anything...?? Only time(or win9) will tell...
    A better question how many bought Window 8 and upgraded to Windows 7. Next question is how many installed Classic Shell to turn Window 8 into Windows 7.
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    MS expected to sell about 300-320m pcs in a year, even taking account of some moving to tablets.

    That is a huge number. MS are trying to leverage those buyers into their online services. They are also trying to get those pc buyers to get a windows tablet and/phone.

    That is the correct thing to do from MS perspective. They made a mess of it.

    Anybody in marketing worth their salt could see it coming. Very strange way to go about things.
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  7. #37


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    MS expected to sell about 300-320m pcs in a year, even taking account of some moving to tablets.

    That is a huge number. MS are trying to leverage those buyers into their online services. They are also trying to get those pc buyers to get a windows tablet and/phone.

    That is the correct thing to do from MS perspective. They made a mess of it.

    Anybody in marketing worth their salt could see it coming. Very strange way to go about things.
    Pity no rep available on this thread..but +1 anyway

    Now they upping their marketing budget as well ...if no new strategy, well then .. go figure
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  8. #38


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    MS expected to sell about 300-320m pcs in a year, even taking account of some moving to tablets.

    That is a huge number. MS are trying to leverage those buyers into their online services. They are also trying to get those pc buyers to get a windows tablet and/phone.

    That is the correct thing to do from MS perspective. They made a mess of it.

    Anybody in marketing worth their salt could see it coming. Very strange way to go about things.
    Where did you get those numbers from? I scoured the Inet to no avail. Everything I read speaks of slumping numbers. Even Intel is cutting back due to the decline.
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  9. #39


    Quote Originally Posted by acr731 View Post
    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Windows for desktops has been the companies bread and butter for many years, and is the biggest contributor to Gates and Balmer being as wealthy as they are today. It goes without saying that Microsoft would continue with this same trend by simply allowing Win8/8.1 users the ability to switch to a Win7 look and feel (with the improvements of Win8) if the user chooses to do so. And that option should include the traditional start button and menu that people are complaining about.
    *Sigh* This is faulty reasoning and I've been pointing this out for months. PC sales took a nose dive long before 8 was on anyone's radar. Heck, it took a nose dive long before 8 was even announced. Coming out with another windows 7 wasn't going to change anything. PC sales took a nose dive not because people somehow magically knew the future and hated 8 a couple years before it came out, but because most users are braindead users (bloggers and facebookers) and they didn't need to buy a PC to do that anymore.

    The current problems with sales that 8 is having isn't beceause 8 sucks. It's because it came out too late. Most (braindead) users are already entrenched in their iOS and android devices. Heck, before 8 came out I had already bought hundreds of android apps. When 8 came out it was a godsend to me, because now I could work and play on the same devices. You can only play on android or iOS.

    And here is a picture I took while visiting my sister's family.

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    Don't tell me had MS come out with another windows 7 version that my sister's family will dump all those high end android devices to buy windows 8/rt devices.




    It seems like a no brainer that Microsoft could stop the bloodshed of money they are losing by implementing this one little thing. They would see sales shoot through the roof, and an added benefit would be the revival of the desktop/laptop market. All these builders would be putting what onto their machines?
    Again, it's not a no brainer. Long before 8 came out when the only option for windows was 7, PC sales took a nose dive. How will coming out with another windows 7 version going to change that? I don't understand this no brainer logic.

    You asked who would buy it..... well, nearly everyone would buy it. You would see mass adoption like you saw with Win7. Why Microsoft doesn't see this is ridiculous. But they have their feet planted firm and are reluctant to budge. I guess that's fine if their goal is to edge closer to bankruptcy.
    Again, PC sales took a nose dive long before 8 was even announced back when 7 was the only option. At the same time, the market as well as households became saturated with iOS and android phablets. Don't tell me the two facts do not correlate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    A question to all > If MS developed 8 liken to their past traditional desktop OSs who would they sell them to? And the OEMs?
    Fair question. If they had merely re-released a win7 with without anything new, there would not have been much point. That said, they could have built on and improved the win7 type model, and people would have bought it. Indeed, I dare say sales would have been better than what they are now experiencing. But, they didn't do that, and now they are in deep trouble. Did they learn anything...?? Only time(or win9) will tell...
    This is also faulty reasoning.

    MS had 20+ years to build and improve the desktop. I'm pretty sure by 7 the desktop was already as optimized as it could be.

    It's like designing and building folks. Folks have around for millennia. If there is suddenly a paradigm shift of what people use to shove food into their mouths and begin buying chopsticks en masse while buying less folks, are you going to use the same logic you used with windows and say if only folk manufacturers come out with another folk that people will abandon chopsticks and come back to folks?

    The lack of PC sales has nothing to do with 8. It has to do with the fact that the market and households were saturated with iOS and android devices long before 8 came out. And now people are too entrenched in iOS and android for their mobile computing that it's hard for them to migrate to windows mobile computing.

    If you dispute with this, then please explain why PC sales slumps long before 8 was even announced. Don't tell me everybody had a crystal ball and knew they would hate 8 years it saw the daylight.
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