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Microsoft predicts another cruel quarter for PCs

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    Microsoft predicts another cruel quarter for PCs


    Microsoft last week prepped Wall Street for a 2% slip in Windows revenue for the third quarter, but warned that PC shipments will continue their double-digit tumble.

    "In Windows, we expect revenues to continue to be negatively impacted by the decline in the consumer x86 PC market," said Microsoft CFO Amy Hood during an earnings call on Thursday with financial analysts. "Excluding the impact of the Windows upgrade offer in the prior year, OEM revenue should account for approximately 65% of the division's revenue and should decline mid-teens."
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    What is it going to take to get it through the heads of some people that the PC market is neither dead nor dying.

    It has stabilised. That's all. Just like the car market. or TV sets. Or... well, most things, really.

    Most people who want a PC have a PC, so the initial race for everyone to get a PC is over. But there will still be 'newbies'
    coming along, though not in the numbers seen previously. And those who do already have a PC will eventually want to buy
    another one. But the 'need' to race out and buy the newest, latest, fastest PC with the latest 'new' thing simply isn't there
    any more.

    Once, there was, because the tech was advancing in big leaps, and quite rapidly. Programs (how I hate the term 'apps')
    and operating systems were often left playing catch-up, and games certainly were. Nowadays this isn't the case, the
    improvements keep coming, but it isn't that critical to have them 'NOW!' as it once was.

    People will still be buying and using x86 PCs for many years to come for the simple reason that they are the best tool for
    the job
    . Anything else is, at best, a compromise. But they'll be buying when they need to, not because they have to. The
    newbies will still come. The enterprise market is huge, and will remain so for many years. Private users (such as myself)
    who create rather than consume content will be using PCs for many years because, as I said, nothing else is in the same
    universe when it comes to being as powerful and versatile as an x86 PC.


    Many 'consumer-type' users are quite happy with a tablet or a decent phone for their 'computing' needs, and that's fine. But
    they don't need a PC and would almost certainly never have bought a PC in the first place had tabs/phones been around at
    the time. And many private/semi-pro users will buy or have bought a tablet as an accessory to their PC. But they don't
    regard it as a replacement for their PC.

    To use the popularity of tablets and stabilising sales figures as a basis for claiming the PC is dying is to ignore the existing
    user-base who have no intention of relinquishing the x86 platform. It's short-sighted in the extreme, incredibly arrogant, and
    frankly borders on stupidity.

    Did Henry Ford throw it in in 1927 when sales of the Model-T fell off, and say, "Hey fellas, these danged cars ain't sellin' as
    quick as they used to. Let's dump the concept, abandon those who've bought our cars, and sell them air-planes instead"?

    No, of course he didn't, he released the Model-A, one of their best-ever cars.

    So, why are MS, tech journalists (and I use that term very loosely) and touch/tablet fanbois so blindly and arrogantly determined
    take away our cars and sell us aircraft?

    And why are/were they too stupid to realise that the market would eventually saturate and stabilise. They need to accept that
    the boom is over, but also that the normal stable "buy, use, replace, buy, use, replace" kind of market is still there, and doesn't
    want to go away or swap to what will always be an inferior format and system.

    It makes me soooo angry...



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    Wenda,

    Maybe look at it this way:

    At one point all cars were black.

    There are still plenty of black cars, but most cars are not black..
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    Many people simply don't need computers anymore. They have smartphones and tablets and that does what "they" "need" them to do.

    If one day "they" turned on their computer and it didn't turn on, they would just surf the web on their phone, get their email on their phone, use their tablet, etc.

    If however, they didn't have alternative devices, if their computer died, they most likely would be forced to run out and buy a new one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Many people simply don't need computers anymore. They have smartphones and tablets and that does what "they" "need" them to do.

    If one day "they" turned on their computer and it didn't turn on, they would just surf the web on their phone, get their email on their phone, use their tablet, etc.

    If however, they didn't have alternative devices, if their computer died, they most likely would be forced to run out and buy a new one.
    Back in January, I came home to find my place burglarized. It seemed like a quick in and out thing, because they took my i7 computer in the home office and all the hard drives in there, but they left my ipad and android tablet that were lying on the bed in the bedroom upstairs.

    I was going to get another desktop. But in the mean time, I started working with my hp envy x2. It was adequate for me to work with. I created and published 2 windows 8 store apps with that thing. I finally got a new i7 desktop last month.

    The point is you are absolutely right. When people think a tablet is adequate for what they do, and most people are braindead facebookers and bloggers, then they're not in any hurry to go out and buy another desktop. I was working with word processor and visual studio, and I thought the atom based hybrid was good enough. Worked with it from January to June.

    Added by edit.

    I'm surprised people aren't blaming the fall in PC sales on windows 8 all over this thread like they've been doing the last several months. Is it possible that all the doomsday hate rhetorics are finally dying down?
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    I'm surprised people aren't blaming the fall in PC sales on windows 8 all over this thread like they've been doing the last several months. Is it possible that all the doomsday hate rhetorics are finally dying down?
    It's possible, there really isn't anything seriously wrong with 8, and some of the claims I've read are, indeed, ludicrous. I actually prefer 8 to 8.1 because of the latter's overt net-centricity, which I do not like and will not be embracing.

    I'm both a 'good guy' and a 'bad guy' in this whole business.

    I haven't raced out and bought a new Win 8 PC because I'd only just bought this one when the Win 8 CP was released. So, I suppose I could be said (dubiously) to have contributed to the slump in PC sales. Although I will be upgrading my PC (laptop) within the next two years or so. And I (Shock! Horror!) own an Android tablet and a smart-phone.

    But then, I did pony-up for a retail copy of Win 8 Pro, so I haven't contributed to any slump there.


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    We will have to see if the adjustments MS is making will help them.

    I expect they will be positionig their ( and the oem ) tablet offerings better. They have done a lot to keep a lid on the oems. Wouldn't surprise me if they get a much larger share of tablets than they have now.

    Not sure how much effect it will have on the pc sales, though. MS clearly think the little adjustments will help - perhaps they are right.

    Relaunching a product offering that wasn't well conceived the first time round isn't going to be easy.
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