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Did we all just witness Windows start to die?

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    Did we all just witness Windows start to die?


    The idea of "the death of the PC" is just that -- it's an idea. It's a hook that, if you believe in it (and I do), it can be quite informative about what seems to be happening to the PC industry, and the wider computer industry in which it sits.
    But most people do not like the complexity that comes with power and flexibility. Some people just want to give their parents a box that lets them have a video call with the grandkids from time-to-time, and don't want to have to futz around configuring anti-virus software.
    The reason why people buy smartphones and tablets isn't because they are necessary better or more worthy than PCs. People buy them because they now have the option to -- i.e. they can.
    Go back five years and there was no choice. That last example of grandparents Skyping the grandkids -- that would have needed a PC. Now it can be done with a free-on-contract smartphone. Or an iPad, a Nexus 7, Kindle Fire, etc.
    Surface RT was, by design, a good enough post-PC device implementation to compete with iPad and Android in that post-PC market. It ticked enough boxes to make a good showing -- certainly more boxes than Old Windows did.
    But we know that Surface RT, and Windows RT has failed in terms of numbers.
    More importantly, Surface RT also failed in terms of philosophy, taking the whole of the Windows 8 Project with it. The principle of the project -- namely that the post-PC was getting it wrong and that people were desperately after a "PC Plus" -- has now been shown to be flawed.
    Microsoft has to stop selling Windows as a competitor to the iPad, and start selling Windows Phone as a competition to iPhone and iPad, and also as competition to Android smartphones and tablets.
    Or to put it another way, if you're looking to compete in a market of oranges, maybe go out there with oranges, rather than try and convince people that they actually want lemons.
    Did we all just witness Windows start to die? | ZDNet

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    Its my opinion (note the word 'opinion') that the reason PC sales are suffering is because of Windows 8. Sure, tablet purchases are high, but the PC is still a very necessary piece of hardware, and is not going to go away, at least not within the next 20 years or so.

    You can't run a business and have productive employees with only tablets or smartphones; it just isn't going to happen. Name one tablet with the power to run something like AutoCAD (for architects) or Solidworks (3d design)? It doesn't exist.

    If Windows 8.2 or 8.3, or maybe even 9 or 10 is designed more for desktops rather than tablets and has the same ease of use as Win 7, PC sales will come back. And so would the sales of Windows. Corporate America is avoiding Win 8; that's why sales of Win 8 (and PC's) are suffering.
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    The principle of the project -- namely that the post-PC was getting it wrong and that people were desperately after a "PC Plus" -- has now been shown to be flawed.
    That was always the question. I was asking it here before rtm. I was also doubting the posistioning of the ms devices, and the concept that including Office would be enough. For regular pc's I expected win 8 would be a very tough sell.

    It might be a little early to conclude as the author has done, but it doesn't look encouraging for microsoft.
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    Windows 8 Pro 64-bit


    Windows 8 is just like 7 but has an additional advantage of being used on tablets... In my opinion Windows 8 is heaps better in terms of performance and stability on both desktops and tablets. I don't see windows dying anytime soon, not for another decade.
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    Win8.1 Pro, Desktop Mode


    For sure, I wouldn't see windows or ms in general, 'die' or collapse or whatever. But I think top management needs to step aside and let some fresh blood in, as they seems to have lost touch with us... it's customer base.

    Not taking a leak all over us, would be a good start...
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    Posts : 86
    Windows 8.1 Pro & OS X Mavericks


    One of the things you have to realize that most people have desktop and/or laptop computers. Most run Windows XP or Windows 7 or OS X on it. Why upgrade? Why get rid something your used to using? If it's not broken, why fix it?

    Don't expect people to buy PCs every month or every year. If your the person that does that, something's wrong. Of course tablets will sell because not many have one.

    Is Windows dying? Well Windows 8, Windows RT and Windows Phone are. Personally I'm happy that they're dying because its a complete mess. Time to start from scratch. Windows 7 and Windows XP have a good amount of marketshare and they work just fine. Windows 8 came into the world just to make even more fragmentation and OEMs are stupid enough to listen to Microsoft.

    Is Microsoft dying? That's funny but of course not. Anybody told Microsoft to fire Steve Ballmer already?

    Let's pretend Windows 8 and Vista never existed. Windows XP > Windows 7 > Windows 9. We use odd numbers now.
    Let's pretend Windows RT and Windows Phone didn't exist. Tablets and smartphones run Windows Mobile OS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMasterFX View Post
    One of the things you have to realize that most people have desktop and/or laptop computers. Most run Windows XP or Windows 7 or OS X on it. Why upgrade? Why get rid something your used to using? If it's not broken, why fix it?

    Don't expect people to buy PCs every month or every year. If your the person that does that, something's wrong. Of course tablets will sell because not many have one.

    Is Windows dying? Well Windows 8, Windows RT and Windows Phone are. Personally I'm happy that they're dying because its a complete mess. Time to start from scratch. Windows 7 and Windows XP have a good amount of marketshare and they work just fine. Windows 8 came into the world just to make even more fragmentation and OEMs are stupid enough to listen to Microsoft.

    Is Microsoft dying? That's funny but of course not. Anybody told Microsoft to fire Steve Ballmer already?

    Let's pretend Windows 8 and Vista never existed. Windows XP > Windows 7 > Windows 9. We use odd numbers now.
    Let's pretend Windows RT and Windows Phone didn't exist. Tablets and smartphones run Windows Mobile OS.
    There's talk of Bill to the rescue..overall I agree with your views
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMasterFX View Post
    One of the things you have to realize that most people have desktop and/or laptop computers. Most run Windows XP or Windows 7 or OS X on it. Why upgrade? Why get rid something your used to using? If it's not broken, why fix it?

    Don't expect people to buy PCs every month or every year. If your the person that does that, something's wrong. Of course tablets will sell because not many have one.

    Is Windows dying? Well Windows 8, Windows RT and Windows Phone are. Personally I'm happy that they're dying because its a complete mess. Time to start from scratch. Windows 7 and Windows XP have a good amount of marketshare and they work just fine. Windows 8 came into the world just to make even more fragmentation and OEMs are stupid enough to listen to Microsoft.

    Is Microsoft dying? That's funny but of course not. Anybody told Microsoft to fire Steve Ballmer already?

    Let's pretend Windows 8 and Vista never existed. Windows XP > Windows 7 > Windows 9. We use odd numbers now.
    Let's pretend Windows RT and Windows Phone didn't exist. Tablets and smartphones run Windows Mobile OS.
    First off, the Windows Phone 8 is far more functional and easy to use than any Android.
    I know this to be fact cause I have used both.
    I happen to love my Windows Phone 8 and Surface Pro.
    Both suit me extremely well.

    Have you ever used one for more than 5 min? My guess is, no.

    Could I use my Surface Pro for work? For my line of work, yes in many areas absolutely, in fact, far better than using any laptop.

    The surface pro is far more functional device than any Ipad or Android tablet, especially for technical IT use.
    Such as Trouble Shooting PC issues, and many other things. Would I use it for AutoCAD? no, well, maybe for presentation stuff.
    Could it handle it? my guess (and I don't know for sure) probably decent enough, not as a primary system for it, but certainly for presentation.

    If my work said which do I want, android, Ipad, Surface RT or Surface Pro, I will pick/demand the Surface Pro, or a Win8Pro Tablet of any kind.

    They are powerful, diverse, functional, and extremely useful.

    I can successfully run 3 Virtual Machines, access network resources, among many other things.

    I really wish people would know what they are talking about before they attempt to trash things they apparently know nothing about.

    As for Desktop, no, Desktop will not be going away anytime soon. In fact, my company has recently attempted to go back to terminal services and dumb terminals, which failed in our area, but seems to be working in others.

    The desktop isn't going away, if MS abandons it, Linux will pick up the slack.
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    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    Must be the "Year of Linux" people doing some wishing and hoping along with writing trash articles about the down fall of the great and powerful Microsoft, "Beware The Eyes Of March" the Nay Sayers have spoken. . .
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    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    The thing is, Lee, that many are intimidated by Linux. But those that aren't, and who value the 'desktop experience' will soon switch if MS continues to devolve the 'desktop' in favour of small, under-powered, under-featured tablets & hybrids.

    No, it won't see Linux become No 1. But it would give it a good boost.

    Also, I agree with those who believe Linux (or rather, its developers) is its own worst enemy.

    They need to select ONE distro, and all concentrate on that. Fragmentation is a big problem for Linux.


    Wenda.
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