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If the iPad was late, ran Windows 8, it would fail too

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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    In fact, in 2 out of the 3 quotes above, you let slip that the real reason is to force users to use a new architecture.
    This architecture "just happens" to be highly suited to phones and tablets.

    If it wasn't about tablets, then why all the tablet hoopla?
    Sure, Phones and Tablets are important. But just as important is the server side of things. There are low-power server farm architectures based on ARM waiting in the wings that cannot be implemented because of this x86/64 architecture dependency. It's not just on the desktop, but the desktop drives the server. There are also ARM based desktop clients for low-powered uses, such as secretaries and similar people for whom even the least powerful x86 processor is way overkill. These help reduce the amount of power used by corporations by all those millions of desktops.

    Then think about netbooks and traditional laptops with ARM processors that could have 25 hour battery lives because they have the ability to carry relatively large batteries. They could stay in sleep for over a year.

    x86 isn't going away because it is the only thing that can run legacy apps. ARM isn't powerful enough to emulate x86. Another option could be a dual ARM/x86 processor where ARM runs your modern apps but uses x86 for legacy apps. Eventually, Win32 will be relegated to a virtual machine inside of WinRT, but only on x86 capable hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It is all about what MS wants.

    Customers do not have to go along with that. If they have any sense, they won't lap it up and wind up totally subservient to the corporate masters. Other corporations may be attempting similar manipulations, but that is no excuse.
    Customers *DO* want it. They want longer battery lives. They want smaller and lighter devices. They want cheaper devices. All of that means ARM, and they will eat it up, just as they have eaten up iOS and Android. The difference here, is that this also comes to the desktop. You can use the same applications on your phone, tablet and desktop. Except for some exceptions, that's typically not the case in the Android and iOS world (I can think of a handful, like Evernote, but all of them are pretty popular).
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    By the way, it's funny how quickly people forget the kinds of criticism the iPad got when it first came out. "Not only is it 4x as big and 10x as heavy as an iPhone, but it has the added advantage of not being able to make calls!" and "It sounds like a feminine hygine product!". The first version had a lot of problems.
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    Ah, but now it still beats the surface and every other windows 8 tablet hands down, and so does Android.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    By the way, it's funny how quickly people forget the kinds of criticism the iPad got when it first came out. "Not only is it 4x as big and 10x as heavy as an iPhone, but it has the added advantage of not being able to make calls!" and "It sounds like a feminine hygine product!". The first version had a lot of problems.
    you are right. but the problem with all products is when they come to market. iPad was first and was able to define the ecosystem. android barely squeezed itself in. All the other players (Blackberry, Nokia etc.) that were the kings before now are in deep trouble and their own OS are basically meaningless.

    If the iPad would show up now, it would disappear immediately. The same may happen to windows RT. Windows 8 will survive since they are x86 compatible and have a lot going for them that is actually useful (unlike iOS, x86 applications go beyond fart noises)

    Maybe RT will make it if MS really puts more weight on it and is willing to spend serious money to get both more apps and cheaper devices. But all manufacturers kind of jumped ship.
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    iOS can in no way be related to ANY aspect of Windows 8 RT. At first glance it DOES appear to be a "Sripped" down version of OSX, but when you browse the filesystem using iFile, the extreme differences become very apparent.

    Has anyone "Jailbroken" or "Rooted" a Windows 8 Device? I'm wondering if the filesystem for a device is basically the same as RT would be. I havent seen any evidence of people wanting (or needing) to "jailbreak" Windows 8- But I would like to get my hands on a Windows 8 device just to see how it runs.
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    Yes, that is why they are rushing out to buy it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It is all about what MS wants.

    Customers do not have to go along with that. If they have any sense, they won't lap it up and wind up totally subservient to the corporate masters. Other corporations may be attempting similar manipulations, but that is no excuse.
    Customers *DO* want it. .
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    You conveniently ignored my point.
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    You seem to be completely missing the point.

    MS want to monetise the customers through their cloud services/subs/ads/whatever else they can think up.

    The eventual aim is to get everyone into ever smaller devices that just link to their clouds. A lot of money for MS and huge costs, loss of privacy and lack of control for the consumers.

    They will do that largely by offering baubles and beads. Not very different from the old cowboy movies where the Indian chief sells his kids land for a few shiny glass beads.

    Customers are not going for the first big step - this whole win8 metro thing. There are plenty of reasons for that. I don't think many understand where they are being led. If they did, they would have a very valid reason to say no.

    The steps along the way like moving to RT etc are just details. No point in getting bogged down in details - it should be about being able to see the wood for the trees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    You seem to be completely missing the point.

    MS want to monetise the customers through their cloud services/subs/ads/whatever else they can think up.
    Advertisement on the web is about $40B business per year and growing; MS wanting to have a share of this recurring revenue sounds like a good business decision. Ain't no different from other companies that have been doing it for a decade at least. You don't have to use any of their services or receive their ads, if you don't want to. Unlike with some other companies, where your don't have much of a choice...

    The eventual aim is to get everyone into ever smaller devices that just link to their clouds.
    I have a Windows phone and it has non of the MS cloud services. Could it happen "eventually"? Yeah it could... Just like Linux taking over the desktop since, oh, at least from 1995?

    A lot of money for MS and huge costs, loss of privacy and lack of control for the consumers.
    You don't really believe that on the Internet you have any privacy, do you? I didn't think so...

    I've been using Windows phone for over a year and Windows 8.1 for couple of weeks and seen only the "smart search in 8.1 that required additional actions to disable. Other than that, none of your claims pan out. It is not mandatory for the end-users to opt-in to MS services, that are available for people who'd prefer to use them. These services are not different from any of the "free" services offered by other companies that used by lot of people.
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