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Microsoft COO Kevin Turner refuses to lose

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    Microsoft COO Kevin Turner refuses to lose


    Turner said that Microsoft's ecosystem, which builds Windows devices and mobile apps, is 18 to 24 months behind where he wants it to be, but it is "catching up."
    Source: Microsoft COO Kevin Turner refuses to lose | Microsoft - CNET News

    COO Kevin Turner finally let slip exactly what they mean by 'devices and services', and the desktop is apparently not included in that.

    What he's going to find is not only will they not make inroads with tablet devices with that strategy, but they're more than likely going to cheese off the remaining developers on the PC side along with most of the users. About the only way it would work is if they overhauled mobile apps such that they worked in the same manner as applications, and I don't see them being bright enough to do that.

    Literally, it would need to work like a secure application and not the Apple-style app they have now. Being able to background apps and have them continue processing, provide the ability to pass-in information through walled gardens from one app to another with permissions, being able to launch one app from another app, being able to access a shared set of data, etc.

    Even with all that.. I wager that companies like Dassault Systems(maker of SolidWorks, pretty much the top product in CAD design and 3D printing) that are extremely heavy into Windows, would freeze their product development to a maximum of Windows 8.x. Nobody is going to put millions of dollars into hardcore applications so that they can then give Microsoft 20-30% of their revenue. Nor do they give a rat's behind if these products work on tablets or not.

    They'll port to Mac and Linux and give Microsoft two of these ,,|,, ,,|,, first.

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    Is Microsoft attempting to kill off the desktop PC as we know it? That would be a very stupid, idiotic thing to do. How many businesses worldwide use Windows on their employees PC's? Does Microsoft have any idea how much money they are throwing away if they alienate themselves from their business clients?

    If you really want to change the face of computing on a worldwide scale, eliminate Microsoft and see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acr731 View Post
    Is Microsoft attempting to kill off the desktop PC as we know it?
    That was my takeaway from what he said. They want everything to be refactored and run out of the mobile interface. Obviously they can't do that as it currently sits, so I assume thats where all the 'innovation' over the next year is going to be. Either way, if they keep the Microsoft Tax and expect developers to pay, they can gtfo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Turner said that Microsoft's ecosystem, which builds Windows devices and mobile apps, is 18 to 24 months behind where he wants it to be, but it is "catching up."
    Source: Microsoft COO Kevin Turner refuses to lose | Microsoft - CNET News

    COO Kevin Turner finally let slip exactly what they mean by 'devices and services', and the desktop is apparently not included in that.

    What he's going to find is not only will they not make inroads with tablet devices with that strategy, but they're more than likely going to cheese off the remaining developers on the PC side along with most of the users. About the only way it would work is if they overhauled mobile apps such that they worked in the same manner as applications, and I don't see them being bright enough to do that.

    Literally, it would need to work like a secure application and not the Apple-style app they have now. Being able to background apps and have them continue processing, provide the ability to pass-in information through walled gardens from one app to another with permissions, being able to launch one app from another app, being able to access a shared set of data, etc.

    Even with all that.. I wager that companies like Dassault Systems(maker of SolidWorks, pretty much the top product in CAD design and 3D printing) that are extremely heavy into Windows, would freeze their product development to a maximum of Windows 8.x. Nobody is going to put millions of dollars into hardcore applications so that they can then give Microsoft 20-30% of their revenue. Nor do they give a rat's behind if these products work on tablets or not.

    They'll port to Mac and Linux and give Microsoft two of these ,,|,, ,,|,, first.
    Well duh! That's why the desktop is still there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    COO Kevin Turner finally let slip exactly what they mean by 'devices and services', and the desktop is apparently not included in that.
    Again, the desktop is dead. We know that. It's official. It's just not buried yet. Metro apps will gain all the functionality of Desktop apps.

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    What he's going to find is not only will they not make inroads with tablet devices with that strategy, but they're more than likely going to cheese off the remaining developers on the PC side along with most of the users. About the only way it would work is if they overhauled mobile apps such that they worked in the same manner as applications, and I don't see them being bright enough to do that.
    You are dead wrong. Developers are VERY MUCH behind this strategy, you know why? BECAUSE THEY MAKE MONEY. Yes, Microsoft takes a cut. But would you rather have 100% of $1M or 70% of $100M? Developers have seen this in action in the Apple Store, and they chomping at the bit to get their own piece of that.

    The only people against it, are those who refuse to migrate, and those people aren't paying for new apps anyways.

    It reminds me of the time that Corel decided that there was a huge untapped market in Windows 3.1 machines for WordPerfect (back in the xp days). They saw X Million Windows 3.1 boxes still out there, and thought they could make a killing porting the latest WordPerfect to Windows 3.1.

    What they forgot to take into account is that those users haven't upgrade because they just don't buy software. They took a bath on it.
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    BTW, I think he is referring to the ecosystem being available for both pc and phones being behind, as it is. The beginning of the next year when WP 8.1 comes together, they'll be even closer to that vision.
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    The desktop is no where close to being dead. Why do people keep saying that? Walk into any large business around the country and what do you see? Desktop computers.... Its not a dead technology, not now, and not any time in the next 10-15 years.
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    You're confusing "The Desktop" with "The Win32 Desktop UI" and more importantly, with Win32 applications.

    Users will always need to do Desktop-like activities, it doesn't mean they need Win32 Applications to do it, particularly as the WinRT API evolves to have all the same functionality.

    When I say "The desktop is dead", I mean Microsoft has canceled new development of Win32, and will eventually relegate it to a virtual machine in Client Hyper-V. New development is focused around WinRT (and don't confuse WinRT with Windows RT)

    Win32 is going the way of DOS. It's still there, but it's only used for some things, mostly compatibility (also don't confuse a Win32 CMD prompt with DOS either, or a PowerShell Command prompt for that matter)
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    Quote Originally Posted by acr731 View Post
    Is Microsoft attempting to kill off the desktop PC as we know it? That would be a very stupid, idiotic thing to do. How many businesses worldwide use Windows on their employees PC's? Does Microsoft have any idea how much money they are throwing away if they alienate themselves from their business clients?

    If you really want to change the face of computing on a worldwide scale, eliminate Microsoft and see what happens.
    The desktop represents consumer independence. I can install XP and Office 2003 and use it for a decade and never pay another penny to anyone. Do you think you'll be able to do that in a few years? I see the writing on the wall. Subscription fees for everything. No more install disks. MS accounts to access or download everything.

    Desktop users have options and control on their side. Looks like MS wants to move the control to their side through consumption devices and software services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    You're confusing "The Desktop" with "The Win32 Desktop UI" and more importantly, with Win32 applications.

    Users will always need to do Desktop-like activities, it doesn't mean they need Win32 Applications to do it, particularly as the WinRT API evolves to have all the same functionality.

    When I say "The desktop is dead", I mean Microsoft has canceled new development of Win32, and will eventually relegate it to a virtual machine in Client Hyper-V. New development is focused around WinRT (and don't confuse WinRT with Windows RT)

    Win32 is going the way of DOS. It's still there, but it's only used for some things, mostly compatibility (also don't confuse a Win32 CMD prompt with DOS either, or a PowerShell Command prompt for that matter)


    Ok then say it like this as it makes more sense. Saying this way "Again, the desktop is dead. We know that. It's official. It's just not buried yet." isn't exactly an accurate statement. Go onto Newegg.com and search for desktop PC's and you find 915 different PC's to choose from. Does that sound like they're dead? You will still be able to walk into Best Buy or Fry's Electronics and buy a "desktop" off the shelf for many years to come. You will still be able to buy computers from Dell or Gateway too.

    Now taking into consideration what you said about Win32, "desktop" PC's may not work the same as they do now when we get down the road about 5 years into the future, but I have a strong feeling they will still be available.
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