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Windows 8.1: Close, but no cigar

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    Windows 8.1: Close, but no cigar


    I took my time kicking the tires of the public preview build of Windows 8.1. I thought that after the Windows 8 fiasco surely Microsoft would get it right the second time around but I wanted to make sure.
    It didn't.
    Donít get me wrong, Windows 8.1 is better than Windows 8. But that's not saying much. In my opinion, Windows XP was--and is--better than Windows 8.

    First, the good news.
    Microsoft has integrated SkyDrive cloud storage even deeper into the operating system. If you trust the cloud with your files, the 7GBs of free storage is handy.
    Of course, other personal cloud storage services, such as Amazon Cloud Drive, Dropbox, and Box also work well with Windows 8.1. None of these work with it hand-in-glove the way SkyDrive does, or the way Ubuntu One does with Ubuntu, or Google Drive with Chrome OS.
    Still, I think building SkyDrive into Windows 8.1 is the single most significant improvement Microsoft has brought to this new version of Windows.
    One real user-interface improvement is the down-arrow at the bottom of the Metro screen that takes you to the Apps view. It's not as easy as getting to your programs from the old Start menu, but it certainly makes it easier to access applications.
    Windows 8.1 also gives you much more power to easily customize the desktop. In particular, it's much simpler to rearrange and customize tiles on the Metro interface. I'm still not sure why you'd want to be using Metro as your PC interface, but that's another matter.
    The best new desktop today: Linux Mint 15 (Gallery)

    Windows 8.1 is still a two-headed monster. On one side is the tile-based Metro, aka Modern, interface. On the other is the desktop interface, which is, kind of, sort of, like Windows 7's Aero interface, but not quite.
    You're faced once more with two different ways of doing the same jobs. It's not only annoying, it's confusing.
    Microsoft still would prefer you to use Metro, and the Metro screen is what you first see when you start Windows 8.1. Microsoft finally has made it possible to start from the desktop. But that don't make it easy.
    Windows 8.1: Close, but no cigar | ZDNet

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    I took my time kicking the tires of the public preview build of Windows 8.1.
    Interpreted: "I had a long 4th of July weekend vacation, so I didn't have the time. I'll rush this out".

    In my opinion, Windows XP was--and is--better than Windows 8.
    Interpreted: "I can't learn or won't open my mind to new technology."

    First, the good news.
    Well, wow!, he enlightened us!

    But... as Harry McCracken recently wrote, "Windows 8 canít live without a killer app forever.
    More enlightenment. Neither would have Apple or Google survived, but it took time. I think the big problem is that most so called "Desktop users" won't give Modern Store apps the time of day, but you'll use apps on your Apple and Androids phones and tablets. You'll only think you know 8 until you learn the Modern/Metro Store app side of it. There are some great ones and more being added daily.

    Maybe that's because, as Ed Bott suggests, Microsoft is aiming Windows 8.1 squarely at mobile users.
    Well, duh! That's because Ed knows how to read facts to give professional-like analysis instead of giving his personal biased opinion. BTW, Ed's posted chart shows the decline of the desktop PC beginning years before 8 was released. Even 7. And don't forget that line includes Apple and other brands.

    Windows 8.1 is still a two-headed monster. On one side is the tile-based Metro, aka Modern, interface. On the other is the desktop interface, which is, kind of, sort of, like Windows 7's Aero interface, but not quite.
    What a warped view of technology. It is the new Modern/Metro UI with the desktop now placed as a portal. Who here cannot run applications on the 8 desktop that they couldn't run on the 7 desktop? Anyone?

    I found some other annoying oddities. For example, while it's nice that you can search both your local resources and the Internet from one Bing-powered interface, the display also showed me three Web results per screen. This is unacceptable.
    Geez....Anyone make sense out of this?

    Windows 8, and now 8.1, asks you to learn new ways of doing the same old things, and it doesn't reward you for learning them.
    Are you looking for a bisquit?


    All in all, this guy has become so anti-MS that he's now promoting Linux just as I see some members here doing so. Go! Go to Linux if that's what makes you happy.
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    All in all, this guy has become so anti-MS that he's now promoting Linux
    Completeley wrong.

    As long as I can remember:

    Steve has always been a Linux guy. Ed has always been a Windows guy. They are both well known. I think they are buddies in truth. They have debates, sometimes on ED's site.

    That is a perfectly reasonable and well thought out review.

    He makes his personal preference clear:

    I believe
    that the best desktop operating systems, such as Mint and Ubuntu are based on Linux, but I can see why people like Windows 7 and XP.
    If I were a full-time Windows user, I'd stick with Windows 7 until Microsoft pried it from my cold, dead hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    More enlightenment. Neither would have Apple or Google survived, but it took time. I think the big problem is that most so called "Desktop users" won't give Modern Store apps the time of day, but you'll use apps on your Apple and Androids phones and tablets. You'll only think you know 8 until you learn the Modern/Metro Store app side of it. There are some great ones and more being added daily.
    The problem is not the "Desktop" users. The problem is why do MS try to put these Modern apps on a Desktop operating system where legacy apps are easier to use and does far more than Metro apps and that these legacy apps don't need a some kind of "store" giving less point for these Metro apps to be even on a desktop in the first place. Most of the top popular Metro apps are games, not applications for professional or business use. Metro apps and the store only make sense on tablets. Apple and Android thrive on this because they were ahead of the mobile trend and have established a strong hype and since they have been there for some time, many people tend to stick with something they got used to. Even if something new and better comes along, its adoption will remain slow unless it becomes a hype. A tablet is a tablet, a desktop is a desktop, there are still gaps from which the two are divided in terms of usage that's why there are things from one that seem out of place when integrated into the other. MS would have made better if they had popularized a competent mobile platform 4-5 years ago.
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    Perhaps you'd like to explain why Apple is trying to move their apps to the desktop then?

    The reason is that mobile users want to use the same apps on their desktop as they do on their phones and tablets. They may also want to use desktop apps, but they're already familiar with their mobile apps..

    Will desktop users flock to mobile apps? Maybe someday, when mobile apps become on par with desktop apps, but that's a work in progress. Today, the purpose of Metro on desktops is to provide a single consistent environment across all types of devices. And yes, there are lots of people that use metro apps on Windows 8.. and yes, they're mostly games, but so what? They're still apps, and people still use them.
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    I stand corrected so far as the author. I didn't know he was that much of a Linux guy.

    Completely wrong, eh? Perhaps in respect of wasting my time reading and commenting on a biased review of a Windows edition by Linux guy, especially with the new direction MS is heading with it.

    Make no mistake. The walled garden/TV approach to computing is the new wave. Store apps will prevail. They will get to the quality of desktop apps. Some already are. Some people simply don't take the time to look and use.

    We'll finally get rid of the Internet insofar as where nasty cockroaches lay their viruses, hack, wastes people's time & money, and cause all kinds of havoc. While I'm using a Modern Store app I'm not laid open to such trouble. I'd like to know all the hours that IT Pros spend worldwide fixing systems because of such havoc. Personally I've spent too much of my time.

    MS has attempted to satisfy the desktop user and the general public consumption user with this edition. Why? Because your precious desktop computer market flat lined. Mobile devices are on the rise. They need the market share. And God forbid if they ever try to get the system to work across multiple devices! That would be devastating! 8 is just as efficient, if not more so than 7 once one has learned the system.

    Like I said, if he or others think Linux Is the way to go, then go. I'm betting that MS will leave them in the dust.

    Nuff said. Have a good day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I stand corrected so far as the author. I didn't know he was that much of a Linux guy.

    Completely wrong, eh? Perhaps in respect of wasting my time reading and commenting on a biased review of a Windows edition by Linux guy, especially with the new direction MS is heading with it.

    Make no mistake. The walled garden/TV approach to computing is the new wave. Store apps will prevail. They will get to the quality of desktop apps. Some already are. Some people simply don't take the time to look and use.

    We'll finally get rid of the Internet insofar as where nasty cockroaches lay their viruses, hack, wastes people's time & money, and cause all kinds of havoc. While I'm using a Modern Store app I'm not laid open to such trouble. I'd like to know all the hours that IT Pros spend worldwide fixing systems because of such havoc. Personally I've spent too much of my time.

    MS has attempted to satisfy the desktop user and the general public consumption user with this edition. Why? Because your precious desktop computer market flat lined. Mobile devices are on the rise. They need the market share. And God forbid if they ever try to get the system to work across multiple devices! That would be devastating! 8 is just as efficient, if not more so than 7 once one has learned the system.

    Like I said, if he or others think Linux Is the way to go, then go. I'm betting that MS will leave them in the dust.

    Nuff said. Have a good day.
    Personally I find you to be closed minded and you really sound like sour-grapes.

    Windows 8.1 is difficult and cumbersome to use, while I appreciate what they have tried to do, it has horrible short comings. I doubt you have ever used Linux, and personally I find Linux difficult to use, but it is rock solid. My preferrence is neither. I have never used OSX (apple) so maybe I will give them a try. At least their iPads are easy to use, have worthwhile apps, and have apps you can use in the real world (unlike Windows).

    Windows downfall is there apps are garbage and lack sophistication. Why use a half-assed app when you have the full blown power of the same desktop software. I think about Skype, I have to use the desktop to set it up, the Metro app is a flaky toy in comparison.
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    The missing pieces from the Windows 8.1 preview

    Microsoft says they listened to customer feedback when planning Windows 8.1. That may be so, but they also made some engineering decisions to slash features and omit unfinished apps in the preview release. If you’re currently using Windows 8, you might want to be aware of these missing pieces.
    A few features that were in Windows 8 are not in Windows 8.1 at all. Here’s a partial list:
    The missing pieces from the Windows 8.1 preview | ZDNet

    Even pro Windows 8 people are bashing Window 8.1.
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    I'd hardly say that qualifies as "bashing". In fact, most of it is just informational.. saying that the problems will be fixed by the final release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I took my time kicking the tires of the public preview build of Windows 8.1.
    Interpreted: "I had a long 4th of July weekend vacation, so I didn't have the time. I'll rush this out".

    In my opinion, Windows XP was--and is--better than Windows 8.
    Interpreted: "I can't learn or won't open my mind to new technology."



    Well, wow!, he enlightened us!



    More enlightenment. Neither would have Apple or Google survived, but it took time. I think the big problem is that most so called "Desktop users" won't give Modern Store apps the time of day, but you'll use apps on your Apple and Androids phones and tablets. You'll only think you know 8 until you learn the Modern/Metro Store app side of it. There are some great ones and more being added daily.



    Well, duh! That's because Ed knows how to read facts to give professional-like analysis instead of giving his personal biased opinion. BTW, Ed's posted chart shows the decline of the desktop PC beginning years before 8 was released. Even 7. And don't forget that line includes Apple and other brands.



    What a warped view of technology. It is the new Modern/Metro UI with the desktop now placed as a portal. Who here cannot run applications on the 8 desktop that they couldn't run on the 7 desktop? Anyone?

    I found some other annoying oddities. For example, while it's nice that you can search both your local resources and the Internet from one Bing-powered interface, the display also showed me three Web results per screen. This is unacceptable.
    Geez....Anyone make sense out of this?

    Windows 8, and now 8.1, asks you to learn new ways of doing the same old things, and it doesn't reward you for learning them.
    Are you looking for a bisquit?


    All in all, this guy has become so anti-MS that he's now promoting Linux just as I see some members here doing so. Go! Go to Linux if that's what makes you happy.
    I wonder if you might be able to articulate your position without the need for insulting folks and putting them down...???
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