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Microsoft Defends Screen Space Wasting Metro Apps

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    Microsoft Defends Screen Space Wasting Metro Apps


    Microsoft has indeed optimized Windows 8 to work better on smaller devices, but the company is still facing criticism for some of its Metro apps that eat up a lot of space on the screen without actually providing enough information.

    A report, published by PC Pro and citing a high-profile company executive, reveals that Microsoft has actually taken notice of the problem, but it only recommends users to try out a larger display, as “the experience would be greatly improved.”
    Microsoft Defends Screen Space Wasting Metro Apps

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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    this seems like a lot of "Little Round Objects" - Most people I know - even at work - are getting LARGER and LARGER screens / monitors -- even smart phones seem to be getting larger screens.

    Making an OS to optimize space / rendering on small devices is fine so long as you don't forget the other end of the scale too.

    I'm not going to make architectural drawings of say a new Hotel site on a tiny mobile phone -- or draw an exploded version of a complex engine on a small Ipad mini. I want the Largest possible screen I can get my hands on.

    I hope that the next plane I get on didn't have its engines designed on a device about the size of an average piece of toilet paper.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    I agree with that all the way and this is where 4K monitors will shine but a bit pricey at this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    I hope that the next plane I get on didn't have its engines designed on a device about the size of an average piece of toilet paper.
    LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    this seems like a lot of "Little Round Objects" - Most people I know - even at work - are getting LARGER and LARGER screens / monitors -- even smart phones seem to be getting larger screens.

    Making an OS to optimize space / rendering on small devices is fine so long as you don't forget the other end of the scale too.

    I'm not going to make architectural drawings of say a new Hotel site on a tiny mobile phone -- or draw an exploded version of a complex engine on a small Ipad mini. I want the Largest possible screen I can get my hands on.

    I hope that the next plane I get on didn't have its engines designed on a device about the size of an average piece of toilet paper.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Remember all my complaints of people being deceptive, borderline lying, regarding the existence of the desktop environment? Are you saying you've been forced to do your design drawing in a metro app?

    Your post makes it sounds like the desktop environment and the millions of desktop apps don't exist anymore.

    I work with visual studio and a few engineering desktop apps. Trust me when I say they will have to pry these out of my cold dead hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    I agree with that all the way and this is where 4K monitors will shine but a bit pricey at this time.
    4K...

    Typing a Word document here would also require zoom-in a lot or a redisign of the UI.

    OR

    The UI will have to be zoomed in, let's say, 200-400dpi or something, otherwise you cannot see a thing of those tiny letters and icons.

    But I'm sure we need those monitors for something else, like 3D design but it will require expensive gfx on that kind of resolutions.
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    Here's a real screenshot from a test VM. Wordpad is in the right... typing...

    Native 4K @ 4096x2160 on normal 96dpi:

    Click image for larger version

    Enjoy.
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    I wonder how Windows 8 looks on a handheld device the size of an iPhone. I wish there were a way to install Windows 8 ON an iPhone. The best I can do is Theming which can give me a Windows 8 "Look" but internally, the apps are still iOS apps. I actually have a few Winterboard Themes that change the look of things like my Messaging app so it looks like how iOS 7 will look, I don't know how Messaging will look in a Windows 8 device. If I had the cash to outright Buy a Windows 8 phone, I would do it. I MAY even like it. I know a few people who had Windows 7 phones, and I liked those.

    But there is NO defence for how Metro works on a Desktop PC. The entire Metro interface is designed for Touch screen and putting it into a full desktop workstation is worthless to me. Probably worthless for a lot of other people. You absolutely HAVE to have that touch screen to get the full use out of it.

    I was in Office Despot last week, and I had a chance to play around with an Asus Touchscreen Laptop. I was great, all except the Screen which I had to reach up to touch. As far as Touchscreen Laptops gop, Windows 8 is a Novelty, not a usable tech.

    I am looking to the Future. New Cars, I was in a friends car, he had a Hybrid car, it was amazing. This is the route the Tech is going though. But PCs? We Windows Users absolutely NEED a Desktop, we need a real start menu, we even need the F8 to get to Safe Mode back. It's like Microsoft is refusing to Budge because they want to FORCE the OEMs into making their versions of Hybrid Cars.

    The Problem is, the general money paying public is ready for Hybrid cars now, especially with Gas being over 4 bucks a gallon. They are NOT ready to throw away their working PCs and spend a bunch of money on Surfaces or other Touch Screen Laptops of even PCs when they are not sure if they will get the Productivity out of these new devices. The Design is still inefficient!

    I see Windows 8 as a start, it was an Idea. "Let's get a Touch Screen Environment into a Full PC Operating System"- But Windows 8 had to many design flaws for this to be feasible. Microsoft wants to compete with Apple's iOS? Wel... They have FAILED in their iPad-derailment ads, it only made people run out and buy iPads immediately, thus causing a 2nd Q increase in Apple Sales for those devices.

    The Problem is, the OEMs. The OEMs are building Windows 8 PCs (and laptops) and they ARE Windows 8 PCs (And laptops) - The BIOS can only be accessed via Windows 8. The features on the Laptops, the Touch Screens, the Biometric Devices, the Cameras and the Speech Kits are all controlled strictly by Windows 8. Which is great in a way, but they have not account for one main thing: OS Failure.

    If Windows 8 is not running perfectly, all of the Automatic Repair systems built into the OS will not work. If the OS will not work, you can't get into the BIOS. If you can't get into the BIOS you cannot change the Boot Order or any other major setting which needs to be accessed.

    The worst idea ever was to put the BIOS access into the OS. Hiding the Safe Mode in a labyrinth of hidden commands which will not show if the OS is not in prime condition. I can deal with most of the other issue of 8 but those are the most rediculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    this seems like a lot of "Little Round Objects" - Most people I know - even at work - are getting LARGER and LARGER screens / monitors -- even smart phones seem to be getting larger screens.

    Making an OS to optimize space / rendering on small devices is fine so long as you don't forget the other end of the scale too.

    I'm not going to make architectural drawings of say a new Hotel site on a tiny mobile phone -- or draw an exploded version of a complex engine on a small Ipad mini. I want the Largest possible screen I can get my hands on.

    I hope that the next plane I get on didn't have its engines designed on a device about the size of an average piece of toilet paper.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Remember all my complaints of people being deceptive, borderline lying, regarding the existence of the desktop environment? Are you saying you've been forced to do your design drawing in a metro app?

    Your post makes it sounds like the desktop environment and the millions of desktop apps don't exist anymore.

    I work with visual studio and a few engineering desktop apps. Trust me when I say they will have to pry these out of my cold dead hands.
    Hi there
    I certainly was NOT deprecating the desktop -- I was just disagreeing with the premise that the original article made about Windows 8 being PRIMARILY designed ONLY for small screen applications.

    I most certainly said that I would not like to draw an exploded view of an aircraft engine or a hotel complex on a small Ipad mini type of device. !!!

    Windows 8.1 allows classical windowed applications to run just like they did in Windows 7 (and earlier) if you need them (Windows 8 as well) -- I sometimes DO make mistakes or post stuff people might disagree with but PLEASE at least READ my post before drawing the wrong conclusions.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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