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Windows 8.1 'Blue' preview: It beats Windows 8

  1. #11


    Yes, I don't think Windows 8 caused the PC slump, but I can certainly say that it didn't help it, or fix it

    We have had a slump because
    1. People get by just fine with their smartphones and tablets..they didn't really need a computer but it was the only real way to access the net.
    2. Since people use all kinds of other devices, they have simply held on longer to their desktops and laptops. They haven't had the perceived need to be on something new and more powerful.



    As far as the Start Menu goes, I think lots of people simply got confused as to where the tiled screen went when they got onto the desktop. Many don't realize that they can hit the little Windows key on their keyboard to pull up the tiled screen. This is why MS put that start icon back on the desktop as a much more obvious method for getting back out to the tiled screen.

    I understand the complaint though, I don't like or use the full screen tile start stuff. I prefer and use a menu. (Start8).

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  2. #12


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Yes, I don't think Windows 8 caused the PC slump, but I can certainly say that it didn't help it, or fix it

    We have had a slump because
    1. People get by just fine with their smartphones and tablets..they didn't really need a computer but it was the only real way to access the net.
    2. Since people use all kinds of other devices, they have simply held on longer to their desktops and laptops. They haven't had the perceived need to be on something new and more powerful.

    Oh, no argument here. All I'm saying is looking at the facts that we know we can only infer that something else has been causing the slump in PC sales. What that thing is is probably the fact that most people are brain dead twitter and facebook users, so the smartphones and tablets are sufficient. People can have another opinion. But only brain-dead tech media would blame the slump in PC sales on windows 8, considering that the slump started long before it came out.

    And you're right, windows 8 didn't help or fix it. But that's completely different than saying windows 8 is responsible for the slump.
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  3. #13


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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Quote Originally Posted by acr731 View Post
    8.1 beats Win8? LOL.........

    Microsoft did very little to address the main issues customers were complaining about. For example there's the "Start" button. You boot into Windows and are taken to the stupid tiles. Click on "desktop" and you will see a start button in the normal place. But here's the shocker.... click on the start button and what happens? It takes you back to the tiles that practically no one likes.

    WTF Microsoft??!!??

    Win 8.1 spent a total of 10 minutes of uptime on my PC before I restored a Win 7 image. I really wonder if Microsoft did that on purpose just to tick off the people begging for the return of the start button and start menu. What a way to give your potential customers the middle finger.

    I won't even be giving it that much. I'm staying with W8, now that I've repaired all MS' mistakes it's great. But I'm not prepared to go through the same, and more, to get this 'kiddie's OS' running to my satisfaction.

    I've seen enough to know that it's nothing like what it should (and could) have been.

    There's simply nothing there for me. As a desktop user who likes to create, not consume, and has no interest in social media or 'cloud computing', it's a waste of time, money (yes, I know it's free, but my time surely isn't) and effort to even bother with it.

    At best, it might go into my VM-based OS collection as a curiosity, but it won't be becoming my primary OS. I'll go over to one of my Linux distros first, or else simply stay on Win 7/8. Heck, I'd even go back to Vista in preference... But I have no need or use for such a blatantly net-centric OS. They tried that in W98 with their much-maligned 'integrated desktop'. This is the same rubbish, just dragged into the 21st century, and I want it as much now as I did then, ie, not at all.

    Colour me angry, and very disappointed.


    Wenda.
    Last edited by Wenda; 28 Jun 2013 at 00:19.
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  4. #14


    I really liked the improvements in the Metro side of the OS, but again I think it's not enough to encourage Metro haters to use it. The new Store and some new apps are cool, but some good old features, like WEI for example, are missing, and it's not clear if those things will be in RTM. The reloaded start menu is a shame. I don't need a stupid button to take to Metro, I already had other ways to go there, and as far as I could research there's no way to disable/remove it.

    I know it's far from what we would like to see in that release, but at the end of the day it's not that horrible. Despite all the problems of that build I was able to install all the software that I need to work, except Rocscience RS3 which causes a BSOD due to a SafeNet Hardlock driver (hardlock.sys). Also my Motorola RAZR isn't recognized, but it's a minor issue. Of course I won't be using that build as a production environment, but it's good to know that it is compatible with 95% of the software I need and hopefully RTM will run all of them.

    Works:

    Adobe Creative Suite 6 (CS6)
    Autodesk AutoCAD 2014 (*1)
    Bittorrent 7.8.0
    Cacheman 7.60
    CCleaner 4.0.3
    CorelDRAW Suite X6 (Update 2)
    Doro PDF Writer
    EVGA PrecisionX 4.2
    Filezilla 3.7.1
    K-Lite Code Pack 9.9.5
    Nero Multimedia Suite 12
    Virtual CloneDrive 5.4.1 (*2)
    Visual Studio 2013 Ultimate (Preview)
    Visual Studio Express 2012
    VMWARE Workstation 9.0.2

    *1) Must be installed with customized Setup.ini


    1. Copy the Media contents to a local drive.
    2. Open file setup.ini from the root folder using a text editor.
    3 .Search for (without quotes) “[DOTNET4LANG]” and “[DOTNET45LANG]”
    4. Add a new line “IGNORE_FAILURE=YES” for them if found. This line can be added anywhere below “EXE_PARAM=”


    *2) VCD virtual device driver disappears randomly

    :: DRIVERS ISSUES ::

    SafeNet Authentication Hardlock Driver - BSOD (hardlock.sys)
    Motorola V3 RAZR USB Driver - Installs but doesn't recognize the phone

    Tomorrow I'll test compatibility of a dozen of games, and once it's done I'll forget that until the next release (Preview refresh or RTM).

    Vlad.

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  5. #15


    Except IE11 nothing in 8.1 impresses me (and the fish), I don't understand the purpose of the start button, will try it for sometime and back to 8.
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  6. #16


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    . . .it's a beta (I know Consumer Review).
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  7. #17


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    I'm staying with W8, now that I've repaired all MS' mistakes it's great. But I'm not prepared to go through the same, and more, to get this 'kiddie's OS' running to my satisfaction.

    There's simply nothing there for me. As a desktop user who likes to create, not consume, and has no interest in social media or 'cloud computing', it's a waste of time, money (yes, I know it's free, but my time surely isn't) and effort to even bother with it.

    Colour me angry, and very disappointed.


    Wenda.


    How did the McCain pizza ad go? "Good on you McCain ... you've done it again!"

    I'll transliterate that to read: "Good on you Wenda ... you've done it again!" ... in voicing my mind re W8.1.

    Is it true M$ are "salting the mine = market" by funding thousands of purchasers to buy W8 to up their shares! Just asking!
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  8. #18


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    LOL, Andy, it installs fine from the iso. Don't worry, unless you like playing with kiddie building blocks, you aren't missing much.

    For anyone who loves that kind of thing, here you go, for ten bucks, hours of fun:

    Click image for larger version

    192 Wooden Play or Craft Building Blocks for Crafts or Kids Building New Nice | eBay


    Those look a lot better than the stuff in 8.1
    Brilliant SIW2. Says it all! One picture's worth a thousand words!

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  9. #19


    eNuff about that start button. We pretty much knew it was going to be a Start Screen Shortcut which Brink has made available from here "Start" Screen Shortcut - Create in Windows 8 since day 1.

    The one aggravating factor about 98, XP, Vista & 7 was after logging in to the desktop and programs are loading. Being in a hurry and familiar with what I needed from start menu. I would click the start button, the menu would pop out and before I could click an item on the menu, a program finished loading and the menu disappeared.
    That has not happened in 8 because we log into the start menu and it opens on the desktop. (Unless it is a Modern App)

    Why is nobody commenting about the new tile controls that are suppose to be available in 8.1 ?

    Why is nobody commenting about the new split portion sizes and multiple windows on the Modern side ?
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  10. #20


    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post

    Why is nobody commenting about the new tile controls that are suppose to be available in 8.1 ?

    Why is nobody commenting about the new split portion sizes and multiple windows on the Modern side ?
    Might be because not many like the Metro side of Window 8.
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