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  1. #171


    South Coast NSW, Australia
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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Funnily enough, I have never had an issue that's been caused by, or related to, either Flash or Java. I suspect that they cop the blame quite often, when they are not actually the cause of the problem.

    I suspect that the culprit, more often than not, is a lack of knowledge by the user, and an abysmal (but quite common) lack of any concept of security or 'safe browsing'. After all, which sounds better, 'Flash/Java are insecure, and crashed my machine', or 'Well, I did turn MalwareBytes and my anti-virus off to get into that porn site that had pages and pages of warnings that it was an unsafe site. But hey, we'll blame something else'?

    But I have no doubt that neither Flash nor Java are anywhere near the 'threat' that some would have us believe.


    Wenda.

    EDIT: Please note that I am referring to genuine copies of Flash/Java, not the malware-laden 'spoof' copies that do crop up from time to time. I did get bitten once by a dodgy copy of Flash, but now I only d/l from the Adobe site. No more problem.

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  2. #172


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Funnily enough, I have never had an issue that's been caused by, or related to, either Flash or Java. I suspect that they cop the blame quite often, when they are not actually the cause of the problem.
    How would you know if you had?

    And anytime you deal with running code on an enduser machine, there are always major security issues that must be locked down and hard. Its simply the nature of the beast.
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  3. #173


    South Coast NSW, Australia
    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Funnily enough, I have never had an issue that's been caused by, or related to, either Flash or Java. I suspect that they cop the blame quite often, when they are not actually the cause of the problem.

    How would you know if you had?


    And anytime you deal with running code on an enduser machine, there are always major security issues that must be locked down and hard. Its simply the nature of the beast.
    The same way I deal with any problem.

    Checking, testing, experimenting, and attempting to duplicate the problem. Researching the issues I'm having. Asking for advice and suggestions.

    You know, the way most people isolate, identify and fix problems?

    Your second point goes without saying.


    Wenda.
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  4. #174


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    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Funnily enough, I have never had an issue that's been caused by, or related to, either Flash or Java. I suspect that they cop the blame quite often, when they are not actually the cause of the problem.

    How would you know if you had?


    And anytime you deal with running code on an enduser machine, there are always major security issues that must be locked down and hard. Its simply the nature of the beast.
    The same way I deal with any problem.

    Checking, testing, experimenting, and attempting to duplicate the problem. Researching the issues I'm having. Asking for advice and suggestions.

    You know, the way most people isolate, identify and fix problems?
    Sure. But the problem you may have, will more than likely have nothing to do with Java. Java may just have been its way into your system. Making a blanket statement that you've never had a problem with Java is very nave. It may be true, but there is no way for you to know that for sure.
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  5. #175


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Vulnerability Lists


    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Funnily enough, I have never had an issue that's been caused by, or related to, either Flash or Java. I suspect that they cop the blame quite often, when they are not actually the cause of the problem.

    I suspect that the culprit, more often than not, is a lack of knowledge by the user, and an abysmal (but quite common) lack of any concept of security or 'safe browsing'. After all, which sounds better, 'Flash/Java are insecure, and crashed my machine', or 'Well, I did turn MalwareBytes and my anti-virus off to get into that porn site that had pages and pages of warnings that it was an unsafe site. But hey, we'll blame something else'?

    But I have no doubt that neither Flash nor Java are anywhere near the 'threat' that some would have us believe.


    Wenda.

    EDIT: Please note that I am referring to genuine copies of Flash/Java, not the malware-laden 'spoof' copies that do crop up from time to time. I did get bitten once by a dodgy copy of Flash, but now I only d/l from the Adobe site. No more problem.
    Check out the year-by-year top vulnerability lists for Windows (put out by various security/AV companies).

    Here's a link:
    Top 10 External and Internal Vulnerabilities | Qualys, Inc.

    Here's another list:
    Top 10 Vulnerabilities for Q3 2012
    Including Secunia ID and date of last change


    1. Oracle Java Highly Critical Vulnerability (SA 49472) on August 20, 2012
    2. Oracle Java Extremely Critical Vulnerability (SA 50133) on August 31, 2012
    3. Adobe Flash Player Highly Critical Vulnerability (SA 50354) on Sept. 25, 2012
    4. Adobe Flash Player Highly Critical Vulnerability (SA 49388) on June 18, 2012
    5. Adobe Reader/Acrobat Extremely Critical Vulnerability (SA 47133) on Jan. 11 2012
    6. Apple Quicktime Highly Critical Vulnerability (SA 47447) on Aug 23, 2012
    7. Apple iTunes Highly Critical Vulnerability (SA 49489) on July 10, 2012
    8. Winamp Highly Critical Vulnerability (SA 46624) on August 3, 2012
    9. Adobe Shockwave Highly Critical Vulnerability (SA 50283) on August 14, 2012
    10. Adobe Flash Player Extremely Critical Vulnerability (SA 41917) on November 9, 2012
    Betanews
    For the first time ever, Microsoft is not a Kaspersky top-10 security vulnerability
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  6. #176


    South Coast NSW, Australia
    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Well, I must be doing something right, then, because they've never caused me any, and I mean any, problem. The odd issues I have had, have been directly attributable to other sources.


    Wenda.
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  7. #177


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Well, I must be doing something right, then, because they've never caused me any, and I mean any, problem. The odd issues I have had, have been directly attributable to other sources.


    Wenda.
    Go Girl, way to stick to your guns. . .some people just can't hold their water they just have to say something . . .
    Last edited by Lee; 09 Jul 2013 at 11:38.
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  8. #178


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Well, I must be doing something right, then, because they've never caused me any, and I mean any, problem. The odd issues I have had, have been directly attributable to other sources.
    I'm not disputing your veracity.
    I don't think that I've ever been hit by them either.

    However on my PC:

    • Flash is blocked by NoScript in Firefox
    • Java is only installed in one of my VMs
    • I don't use:
      • Adobe Reader
      • Quicktime
      • iTunes



    I didn't get hit by Conficker or TDL4.
    Does that mean they aren't real?
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  9. #179


    apart from all the speculations running for the win 8 and its successor 8.1 i'm looking forward to it to deliver some good this time
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  10. #180


    South Coast NSW, Australia
    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    At no stage did I say they weren't real, just that I've not had a problem with them.

    I don't use iTunes (ugh!) or QT, but do use the others.

    Latest versions only, and kept up-to-date, of course... as is all my security.

    Can't understand how not having a problem with something can somehow be wrong...


    Wenda.
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