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Windows 8.1 first look: Finally, Windows the way you want

  1. #151


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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post

    Now this isn't to say that the two paradigms can't coexist, and there isn't any reason they shouldn't co-exist. But the desktop's strength is content creation, while the television-based app environment is based around content consumption. This is the one thing Microsoft doesn't seem to understand, and until they stop trying to put a round peg into a square hole(content creation into a television-based consumption environment), they will fail miserably.
    I've said this before, and I'll say again. Last I checked this morning, the desktop is still there. I even opened up and spent about an hour working on a project using visual studio. You're making it sound like someone is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to not go into the desktop environment.
    No, we've all been saying that Microsoft intends us to all move to the television-based consumption environment while they 'phase out' the desktop. You can either hold a gun to someone's head, or you can simply keep taking things away until they find themselves already there. They aren't fooling anyone with the second tactic, and its why Windows 8.x is failing.
    "Microsoft intends us to all move to the television-based consumption environment while they 'phase out' the desktop" What a joke comments.
    It sound like you are anti Microsoft really.
    Windows 8 is designed for both PC and tablets.
    What's wrong if Microsoft bring tablets interface to PCs ? This make users familiar with the UI for both. In win 8, you can turn to Desktop mode by I click away from Metro UI.
    This guy seems to make new uninformed user of Win 8 misunderstand on how well Win 8 is in the real World

    By the way, let me say it again
    1. Faster boost: with any kind of hardisks, you will find it. Some claim just 3 seconds to open.
    2. Noticeably faster performance as a whole: With notebook, tablets and traditional PCs, you will find that it is surprisingly faster without compromising in performance.
    3. Backward compatibility: You will gonna run on your previous software. Nearly all of them. It is so hard to identify that what software that can runs on Win 7 but not in Win 8.
    4. Lower power consumption: It is noticeable and it is good news for tablets and notebook, even PCs. This improvement is nothing to complain, more or less.
    5. Less hardware hungry: With new encryption technology from Intel and Microsoft, make Win 8 consume less resource of your computers. It is clear that Microsoft cares more about nootbook and PCs get some benefits, too. Maybe they will find no need to upgrade their PC to run this Win 8 and found it is faster.
    6. Relaible: With latest code in Win 8, in theory it more reliable. It is save to say it need time to prove this. Just today, it is ok.
    7. Powerful: This OS is the most powerful and the most flexible for developer to develop their software on Earth.

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  2. #152


    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    As I've explained before many times, people aren't buying windows 8 machines as much as the previous versions isn't because 8 sucks but because the market and people's households are already saturated by iOS and android devices.
    Apple laughs in your face and points to their 75 million iOS units sold in Q1 2013. Doesn't seem very saturated to them! Almost like they're selling what people want to buy! And that was a quarter that Windows 8 and Microsoft had tablets of all types on the market, including convertibles.

    But no.. Microsoft getting their lunch eaten is obviously because 8 and the modern interface doesn't suck :P.
    Um, you're forgetting something. Most people are brain-dead users. They will buy whatever that's been proven and "just works". The apple ad machine has successfully passed the message that iOS doesn't crash even though in reality it's been proven to crash more often than android and windows.

    Windows 8 came onto the scene way too late. And to the brain-dead users, it's new and not cool.

    Again, I use 8 both in desktop and touchscreen. It works just fine for me. And again, last I checked, which is right now while I'm typing this up, the desktop environment works just fine. To a brain-dead user, though, your last few posts would have them believe that there is no desktop in windows 8 at all.

    People like you love to exaggerate. You don't like something, so you make it sound like it's the end of the world.
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  3. #153


    South Coast NSW, Australia
    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post

    Now this isn't to say that the two paradigms can't coexist, and there isn't any reason they shouldn't co-exist. But the desktop's strength is content creation, while the television-based app environment is based around content consumption. This is the one thing Microsoft doesn't seem to understand, and until they stop trying to put a round peg into a square hole(content creation into a television-based consumption environment), they will fail miserably.
    I've said this before, and I'll say again. Last I checked this morning, the desktop is still there. I even opened up and spent about an hour working on a project using visual studio. You're making it sound like someone is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to not go into the desktop environment.
    No, we've all been saying that Microsoft intends us to all move to the television-based consumption environment while they 'phase out' the desktop. You can either hold a gun to someone's head, or you can simply keep taking things away until they find themselves already there. They aren't fooling anyone with the second tactic, and its why Windows 8.x is failing.
    I like you television analogy, in fact I used a similar one earlier, which was basically that being able to turn a tablet on and log into Farcebook or Twit or YouTube does not make you a 'computer user', any more than watching and recording a TV show makes you a TV producer/director.

    I don't 'fear' mobile computing, in fact I do own a tablet (7" Pendo-Pad 4,1g single-core, 4g RAM, 32g storage, Android ICS) but I use it purely for entertainment and light tasks when away from home, and as an e-book reader. Doing anything remotely complex on it is such a PITA that it isn't worth the effort. Yes, I can plug a USB k/b and mouse into it, and it will HDMI to most TV sets, but doesn't that defeat the whole 'mobile' concept?

    No, it's used for what it's (very) good at, which isn't as a viable computing device for my needs. For anything serious (I do mainly photo & video editing/conversion, Photo-Shop design, gaming, and some writing when I'm not wasting time and bandwidth on forums. And I collect Operating Systems...yes, seriously. So there are approx 14 different OSes in Virtual-Box), well I'm a bit spoiled for choice, really. Shown below is my current setup: From left to right...

    Acer AS5735 Core 2 Duo@2Ghz/3g RAM/Intel Gfx/250g HDD, running Windows 7 Ultimate SP1

    Acer SA10 desktop Pentium 4@2.8Ghz/1g RAM/256Mb GeForce/320g HDD, running Windows Vista Ultimate and Windows XP Pro

    Acer AS8951G i72670QM@2.1-3.2Ghz/8g RAM/2g GeForce/2x750 HDD, running Windows 8/8.1

    On the shelf is the 7" tablet. Printers are a Lexmark ES250dn laser, and a Canon Pixma 520 inkjet 3-in-1.

    I think, if MS continues down the journey towards cloud(-cuckoo?)-land, I can get by quite comfortably with what I have without going anywhere near the cloud concept. Of course, OSes aren't much use without software, but I have that, too.

    So long as I can avoid the cloud and its attempt to monetize &/or track &/or control everything I do, I'll be happy. And since I've been able to do so (so far, anyway) I'm quite happy with 8.1 The Metro thing doesn't bother me, I boot to the desktop, but have Metro enabled so it's there if wanted. I use the All Apps screen instead of the Start screen and that's good for me.


    Wenda.
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  4. #154


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    @Wenda Couldn't help noticing the cricket bat! Very innovative! I've got a friend who uses a hammer on his mobos when they won't perform, but at least with a bat you can score something by hitting them for a six at the SCG! You might call it a 'hard drive'!
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  5. #155


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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    @Wenda Couldn't help noticing the cricket bat! Very innovative! I've got a friend who uses a hammer on his mobos when they won't perform, but at least with a bat you can score something by hitting them for a six at the SCG! You might call it a 'hard drive'!
    Yes, a Phillips-head screwdriver and a cricket bat, and no hardware issue is insoluble. It comes in handy for subduing rowdy visitors, too.

    Bit of trivia for you, and any other cricket fans.. the bat is an ancient 'Perfect' brand, and is stamped with the name 'Stuart Surridge' on the face below the handle. I don't know its exact age, but Surridge retired in 1956, so....

    The rubber on the handle is perished, and the blade has some pigskin binding, but otherwise it's still in fairly good nick, and is quite usable.

    Here's a better pic for other cricket fans out there...yes, I know it's off-topic. Sorry.


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  6. #156


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    WINDOWS 8.1 x64


    Windows 8.1 first look: Finally, Windows the way you want

    well not really, did not install 8.1 since in a few months one has to do a fresh install AGAIN.

    If only that can be avoided, then i install 8.1.

    Besides i need smaller icons in the Metro and like to stay on the Metro screen....without the dekstop please......

    So right now Windows is not 'the way i want'.

    Jeff
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  7. #157


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    I don't 'fear' mobile computing, in fact I do own a tablet (7" Pendo-Pad 4,1g single-core, 4g RAM, 32g storage, Android ICS) but I use it purely for entertainment and light tasks when away from home, and as an e-book reader. Doing anything remotely complex on it is such a PITA that it isn't worth the effort. Yes, I can plug a USB k/b and mouse into it, and it will HDMI to most TV sets, but doesn't that defeat the whole 'mobile' concept?
    I don't view it as mobile computing really. Its a bit of a misnomer. Microsoft had mini 'mobile' computers ten years ago and they didn't fly. The reason why stuff like iOS and Android and tablets have taken off imo is that they ended up creating a new broadcast medium. I'm not even sure Apple, Google, or Microsoft truly realize it yet.

    Something hit me tonight the more I thought about what I said about the television metaphor. Because in a lot of ways, that's also what the Web is. You change channels by going to different addresses, and for the most part the pages aren't dependent on any other site to work.

    As such, the logical extension of that is.. so why can't all web pages be apps? The answer being, they can, AND THEY WILL :>.

    By taking the front end and moving it off the server to a users machine, you all of a sudden break past the single biggest thing holding the internet back. HTML and its associated garbage workarounds that power most modern websites. All of a sudden you have full access to voice, sound, cameras, touch, 3D acceleration, and CPU's to handle graphics load never before even contemplated for websites. All without having to continually suck down bandwidth for static resources beyond the first download to get current.

    The Internet will still be alive and kicking.. but in 5-15 years depending on how fast they hit upon it and get up and running, the Web is going to die and be replaced by websites reformatted and rebuilt to run as Apps. I guarantee it. It'll be the apps that communicate with the servers and jockey information from the servers back and forth, and the site itself will be deprecated. It'll take some years for tablets to truly achieve the penetration needed, but that's the future. HTML itself will finally die a well deserved death.

    That's not to say desktops are going away.. far from it. Desktops are still what you create apps and appsites with, just like they're used to create websites and apps today.
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  8. #158


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Yes, a Phillips-head screwdriver and a cricket bat, and no hardware issue is insoluble. It comes in handy for subduing rowdy visitors, too.

    Bit of trivia for you, and any other cricket fans.. the bat is an ancient 'Perfect' brand, and is stamped with the name 'Stuart Surridge' on the face below the handle. I don't know its exact age, but Surridge retired in 1956, so....

    Wenda.
    Off Topic: Very interesting. Almost a collector's item. My brother has a Don Bradman signature bat of similar ilk. Not sure of manufacturer name. I'll send him a link to your post as I know he'd be interested, and my son as well. I'm just a regular garden variety cricket fan, but my son's an insane fanatical devotee, as in almost a religion!

    Had to laff at: Useful for subduing rowdy visitors! Does that include fanbois & gals???
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  9. #159


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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrys View Post
    Windows 8.1 first look: Finally, Windows the way you want

    well not really, did not install 8.1 since in a few months one has to do a fresh install AGAIN.

    If only that can be avoided, then i install 8.1.

    Besides i need smaller icons in the Metro and like to stay on the Metro screen....without the dekstop please......

    So right now Windows is not 'the way i want'.

    Jeff

    Jeff, all that can be achieved, mate.

    If you take a system image of your current setup, you can then install 8.1 and play with it without having to do a re-install
    from scratch when the final is released. When it is released, simply restore the image, and upgrade/update over that.

    8.1 has the smaller icons/tiles on the Start Screen, which does work better than that in W8. You can also go straight to the
    All Apps screen if you prefer it to the start Screen (like me). Both screens are more customizable than those in W8.

    8.1 can be set to either totally ignore the desktop, or totally ignore Metro. It also gives you the choice to run both (again, like
    me).

    If you try my suggested method, and if you like Win 8, I doubt you'll be disappointed.

    Go for it, and good luck!


    Wenda.
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  10. #160


    Florida
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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I can understand it. Microsoft isn't going to overhaul Windows 8 completely, that would be a waste of time, and the many users who do like it. It takes years to refine a operating system. It's not bad, in my opinion and I use it for desktop and very mild gaming. I'll switch to 8.1 once it gets stable though, always looking for improvements.
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