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  1. #111


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    I been told yesterday from one of my inside sources within Microsoft that Windows 9 and Windows 10 will be built into 3 groups example 1 installer for PC Desktops and Laptops (yay) and 1 for the Tablets ( I don't care for ) and 1 for Smartphones ( I don't care for again )

    And the Windows 9 and Windows 10 will act and perform like the past Windows like before with fully working start and will come only in 64-bit and 128-bit for Desktops and Laptops, looks like 32-bit is going to dry up in the very near future.

    Lets all wait and see in 2014 when all of these 3 groups of Windows 9 starts hitting the market in the fall of 2014!
    Well, let's hope you're right. Windows 8, with the metro interface, was the single stupidest idea ms ever had, at least so far as it's implementation on the desktop is concerned. While I will continue to maintain that the choice to install desktop should have been included in 8, at least there may be a ray of sanity returning in the near future.
    Don't hold your breath. Microsoft seems to be incredibly stubborn to change their course. Even when the numbers are so obviously against them.

    Thanks for your comment, tst

    They have and will have no other choice at this time meaning Microsoft to do a 180 change they know they do so does the top and Mr Gates is the one who started all this stop it right now and the buck stops here, people and mainstream on main Street don't like lets move and write off Windows 8 and File it with Windows Vista and make sure Windows 9 is what everyone wants and also Windows 10 in 3 separate installers 1 for DT's and LT's and 1 for Tablets, and 1 for Smartphones, Mr Gates is not going to sit their and see his Company go into a tail spin and into the ground, he has too much class and like he has always said its not about money for me at this stage its about keep everyone happy in all past and current and future Products and Services that his company and what he stands by, Bill has always said he is and always look at himself as a user on the other side of the spectrum like you and I are sitting,,, with that said time after time from Mr Gates Rest Assure and heads up that there will be a 180 degree change at Microsoft before year end!!!

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  2. #112


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    Dude... sure hope you have a good "flak jacket"....
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  3. #113


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    (grin) One Molsom too many?

    Thought you guys up there were smarter than to stick your heads over the parapet like that!

    I`m a Brit & even I know better...

    (heads towards microwave with popcorn in hand....0
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    it works ok

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  5. #115


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    Quote Originally Posted by Explorertml View Post
    I been told yesterday from one of my inside sources within Microsoft that Windows 9 and Windows 10 will be built into 3 groups example 1 installer for PC Desktops and Laptops (yay) and 1 for the Tablets ( I don't care for ) and 1 for Smartphones ( I don't care for again )
    You do realize that Windows 8 is already built into 3 groups, with separate installers for PC's and Laptop, RT, and Phone. You're saying they're going to change things to be different but it will be the same? Your "source" seems a bit unreliable to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Explorertml View Post
    And the Windows 9 and Windows 10 will act and perform like the past Windows like before with fully working start and will come only in 64-bit and 128-bit for Desktops and Laptops, looks like 32-bit is going to dry up in the very near future.
    This is the most unbelievable part of your story. First, there are still plans for tablets and even desktop processors that are still 32 bit. Microsoft cannot, and will not drop those. Second, there's no such thing as a 128 Bit general purpose CPU, nor are there any rumors of any. Certainly not in the 2014/2015 timeframe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Explorertml View Post
    Lets all wait and see in 2014 when all of these 3 groups of Windows 9 starts hitting the market in the fall of 2014!
    I think this is highly unlikely. Last I heard, there are still two more 8 releases coming. 8.2 and 8.3. I have heard no plans for a full version bump yet, and those plans are usually at least 2-3 years out. Microsoft is still in this yearly refresh mode (they're doing the same thing with Visual Studio and SQL Server).

    Quote Originally Posted by Explorertml View Post
    Windows 10 will be also out sometime also with 3 groups in 2015 or so, there will be 2 brand new OS's coming out almost back to back this time around this time in the very near future this will be very Interesting for all the folks who think Microsoft isn't and doesn't have money problems cuz they do at this time with this Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 failed experiment and good old Vista that really hurt Microsoft's books, yes they do have large capital but large amounts of capital do start to run out as the years click by every year.
    Microsoft's books are not hurt. These are public documents. You can see their quarterly filings. They are up in sales over $3B last quarter over the same quarter the year before. They're not in any financial trouble whatsoever. Notice that their stock price has actually risen in the last year from around $29 to $35 per share, which is pretty good for what's known as a "stable" stock (ie it pays dividends rather than making money on its valuation). If Microsoft was having financial trouble, the stock would be in the toilet.

    It's not just that they have large capital. They are actually making money. Lots of money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Explorertml View Post
    Windows 8 is why the ax man is running around within Microsoft these days to clean house and make sure the right folks are at the right position for the major 180 turn with the new Microsoft Corp...
    There is no "axe man" that I've heard of. There is a reorganization, but that happens every few years, particularly after a major departure like when Sinofsky left. Microsoft has reorged at low points and at high points, so you can't really read anything into that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Explorertml View Post
    Windows 8 project was a very expensive line and build then any other past Windows project that's why there is so much stress within the core at Microsoft Corp these days and this stress will be around for a very long time within Microsoft, and its still not yet over Microsoft is aware that all their products current and new will need to have their retail cost adjusted and lowered, to be able to play within the world wide game in software design and sales and support, Microsoft does know that the markets world wide are not healthy and companies do not have lots of money to do major upgrades at this time and for many years
    Now this is a complete fabrication. Windows 8 was nowhere near the most expensive product Microsoft has ever done. Vista actually was, taking 7 years of development, and throwing away code twice and starting from scratch. That's not even counting the virtual rewrite of the OS that took place for XP SP2/Server2003. Any source that claims that Windows 8 was "the most expensive" thing they've ever done doesn't even know much about Microsoft, much less an "insider".

    All I can say is, you must be willing to believe anything that matches up to your wishes.
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  6. #116


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    From what I can tell from the Windows Design Team, they have potential. The person in charge of Windows however doesn't know how to steer the boat lol.

    Reality is, this is what Windows 8 should have been:

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    You boot up, login and a nice, clean and modern desktop appears with a Start button. Very simple right? Clicking this button:

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    A nice, clean and modern looking Start menu with no loss in usability. Familiarity and simplicity is key right? Opening up a modern style application:

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    It makes Windows look consistent as well as having a clean look to it. The average user likes clean looks, simplicity, and that is why I said that the design team have potential.

    That is Windows 8 for desktops and laptops. Tablets on the other hand are presented with the new Start screen and have access to metro only applications. Again, tablets should never have access to the desktop. They cannot exist together unless an overhaul is made that allows full use of touch:

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    That's how I believe Microsoft could have gotten a very good reputation in the market. Usability and consistency is important, but Microsoft likes to make itself look bad. If you think about it, Windows Vista was a beta of Windows 7. It feels like Windows 8 is a beta of Windows 9. There's a pattern here lol. Again, Windows 8.1 does not make any difference. However you can make it look like that with 3rd party tools but that's annoying and most people would prefer to not waste their time doing that.
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  7. #117


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMasterFX View Post
    From what I can tell from the Windows Design Team, they have potential. The person in charge of Windows however doesn't know how to steer the boat lol.

    Reality is, this is what Windows 8 should have been:

    Click image for larger version

    You boot up, login and a nice, clean and modern desktop appears with a Start button. Very simple right? Clicking this button:

    Click image for larger version

    A nice, clean and modern looking Start menu with no loss in usability. Familiarity and simplicity is key right? Opening up a modern style application:

    Click image for larger version

    It makes Windows look consistent as well as having a clean look to it. The average user likes clean looks, simplicity, and that is why I said that the design team have potential.

    That is Windows 8 for desktops and laptops. Tablets on the other hand are presented with the new Start screen and have access to metro only applications. Again, tablets should never have access to the desktop. They cannot exist together unless an overhaul is made that allows full use of touch:

    Click image for larger version

    That's how I believe Microsoft could have gotten a very good reputation in the market. Usability and consistency is important, but Microsoft likes to make itself look bad. If you think about it, Windows Vista was a beta of Windows 7. It feels like Windows 8 is a beta of Windows 9. There's a pattern here lol. Again, Windows 8.1 does not make any difference. However you can make it look like that with 3rd party tools but that's annoying and most people would prefer to not waste their time doing that.




    No. That is what 7 looks like and you are welcome to modify 8 to it if you want. Nothing has changed except a few additions to me.

    I'm perfectly fine with the desktop being in a little box that I click IF I need it. I don't need or want the old start menu on my machine.

    Thanks for trying to speak for me again. But, no thanks.
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  8. #118


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    Quote Originally Posted by EMINENT View Post

    No. That is what 7 looks like and you are welcome to modify 8 to it if you want. Nothing has changed except a few additions to me.

    I'm perfectly fine with the desktop being in a little box that I click IF I need it. I don't need or want the old start menu on my machine.

    Thanks for trying to speak for me again. But, no thanks.
    I have no problem with that. Each person has their own taste. I use OS X, Windows, iOS and I'm able to use all of them just fine. I don't like inconsistency is all. Its similar to what enterprises want. They just want to dive in straight to their work, do everything fast with no hassle depending on what user input (mouse/keyboard, touch) is used.
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  9. #119


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMasterFX View Post
    From what I can tell from the Windows Design Team, they have potential. The person in charge of Windows however doesn't know how to steer the boat lol.

    Reality is, this is what Windows 8 should have been:

    Click image for larger version

    You boot up, login and a nice, clean and modern desktop appears with a Start button. Very simple right? Clicking this button:

    Click image for larger version

    A nice, clean and modern looking Start menu with no loss in usability. Familiarity and simplicity is key right? Opening up a modern style application:

    Click image for larger version

    It makes Windows look consistent as well as having a clean look to it. The average user likes clean looks, simplicity, and that is why I said that the design team have potential.

    That is Windows 8 for desktops and laptops. Tablets on the other hand are presented with the new Start screen and have access to metro only applications. Again, tablets should never have access to the desktop. They cannot exist together unless an overhaul is made that allows full use of touch:

    Click image for larger version

    That's how I believe Microsoft could have gotten a very good reputation in the market. Usability and consistency is important, but Microsoft likes to make itself look bad. If you think about it, Windows Vista was a beta of Windows 7. It feels like Windows 8 is a beta of Windows 9. There's a pattern here lol. Again, Windows 8.1 does not make any difference. However you can make it look like that with 3rd party tools but that's annoying and most people would prefer to not waste their time doing that.
    Well said Blue,

    I strongly believe windows 9 will be cleaned up and the start back and all the metro apps will be all removed so you will be back to the windows 7 style with 100% performance improvements with a new kernel system and a new updated registry for faster responce and lots more ...

    Windows 10 will play better in the Enterprise and Mainstream folks on Main Street then the single game player or web surfer at home.

    Windows 10 will be geared for desktop and server support and high end laptops to be live within the cloud or on their home base networks within their firm/firms...
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  10. #120


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    Quote Originally Posted by Explorertml View Post
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    Apple is doing the *EXACT SAME THING*. They are merging the MacOS and iOS environments. Remember Dashboard? That was their first stab at this.
    Oh, and mark my words.. when Apple does it, they'll more than likely simply build a wrapper to allow the system to essentially emulate your iOS apps in a window and you can then run them from an icon and drive them any which way you want from the desktop. Thats all that's really needed, most apps are toy programs and are just source code. We need desktops to be driven from a run-time operating system like we need a hole in the head. Its a layer that slows down everything that simply isn't needed, no matter how fast computers run.

    When you have programs that are tens or hundreds of millions of lines of code, waiting for them to compile at run-time is just lol stupid.
    Goodmorning Chrisa,

    I agree with all of your thoughts and points of view 100%

    I been told yesterday from one of my inside sources within Microsoft that Windows 9 and Windows 10 will be built into 3 groups example 1 installer for PC Desktops and Laptops (yay) and 1 for the Tablets ( I don't care for ) and 1 for Smartphones ( I don't care for again )
    Well.. just to clarify. I'm very much a fan of Microsoft, very much embedded in the windows platform, and I don't mind the apps(when I use them on the Surface Pro). The only quibble I have is that someone got one of those crazy ideas that they could turn a workstation into a glorified tablet and make EVERYTHING rolling off the RT operating system. RT is good for apps, but the tradeoff for the jackboot security for mobility is in speed and complexity. If you're dealing only with small, lightweight programs.. it works grand.

    Most of the stuff I develop is for full applications, and in that, the regular environments and the ability to compile and distribute traditional applications is either not going away, or developers will simply abandon the windows platform. Its as simple as that. People will not put massive amounts of time and money into developing premium software for which they then have to give 20-30% of their sales to Microsoft. They *will* find another way if it comes to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Explorertml View Post
    And the Windows 9 and Windows 10 will act and perform like the past Windows like before with fully working start and will come only in 64-bit and 128-bit for Desktops and Laptops, looks like 32-bit is going to dry up in the very near future.
    That sounds reasonable. The only thing that has ever been needed for the desktop is a wrapper to run apps. You double-click the icon, and it runs the run-time compiler which then compiles the source and runs it in a window and it only has access to its walled garden. The tile interface and modern can be the default driver all it wants on tablets(where you almost always have a touchscreen).

    Essentially, you should be able to either drive your computer from either the desktop or tablet interface(and be able to switch as needed), and never the twain shall meet. If all you want to do is play tiny games and such, you set the modern interface as a driver. If you want to do content creation like develop software, use high-end tools like CAD or audio/visual editing, etc... you set the desktop interface as the driver. Simple as that.
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