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Windows 8.1 first look: Finally, Windows the way you want

  1. #101


    Adelaide
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    Installing repository software is a doddle


    Installing software in Linux (from the repository) is easier than getting Bluetooth to share stuff with W7.
    I've never had to spend more than a few minutes trying to install a program from the repository.

    My friend and I spent ~4 hours trying to get his phone and W7 to share with each other.

    The problem was only solved by me convincing my friend to search for Internet articles (as usual Microsoft's help/tutorials were useless).
    After reading an article on a forum, we were alerted to a "secret config" dialogue window that can only be accessed by using search (at least on his PC).

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  2. #102


    USA, Idaho
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    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    For those of you who think jumping to a Mac OS X OS you really need to do some research. As a 28 year Mac user I can guarantee that OS X Mountain Lion isn't that far removed from Win 8 (I would bet that MS used the App Store model when putting together win 8). And, for those who are looking for a Start Menu in Mac OS X better do some heavy studying of the Mac system. . .it isn't there, and it will never be there. Mac has the Dock and Launchpad. They have the app store, and as far as Mac apps you now have to purchase them through the App Store unless you have some of the older (before App Store) versions. . . Just some random thoughts. . .
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  3. #103


    Somewhere in USA
    Posts : 233
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    For those of you who think jumping to a Mac OS X OS you really need to do some research. As a 28 year Mac user I can guarantee that OS X Mountain Lion isn't that far removed from Win 8 (I would bet that MS used the App Store model when putting together win 8). And, for those who are looking for a Start Menu in Mac OS X better do some heavy studying of the Mac system. . .it isn't there, and it will never be there. Mac has the Dock and Launchpad. They have the app store, and as far as Mac apps you now have to purchase them through the App Store unless you have some of the older (before App Store) versions. . . Just some random thoughts. . .
    Apparently it's too hard to understand. Apple uses giant icons on a single row and it's ok if they don't have a start menu.

    Throw in a many squared, live, icons, and suddenly people become stupid retarded.
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  4. #104


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    Win8 Home Premium


    Re business use of desktops. I am retired, but my wife works as a consultant in an IT environment, usually large banks, pharmaceutical companies, oil companies.
    99% of all in-house computers these days are laptops hooking into their local networks or intranet services.

    Even in the area of number-crunching there are a lot more laptops than desktops in use.
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  5. #105


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    You can't guarantee anything, since you appear to have no idea of the direction technology is moving in, the direction that users are moving in, or how the server market is moving.
    I know exactly which direction its moving. Away from Microsoft.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Microsoft can do anything they want. It's their product. You seem to be under a delusion that Microsoft's customers have a say in anything they do. They don't. Customers can only vote with their wallet. That doesn't ensure that they get a say, that only means they go elsewhere if they truly aren't interested.
    And look around some time... customers HAVE been voting with their wallets and Microsoft has been a tailspin. First trying to furiously backpedal with Windows 8.1... and then crying uncle and going the full XBOX 180. Your argument might hold water if we didn't have pesky things like sales figures to go by and not just your wet dreams about how you THINK things are going.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    There aren't, in fact any other viable options for desktop users. Not only are Mac's much more expensive, but they don't have even a fraction of the apps available for Windows, particularly in the gaming market. If you're a gamer, Windows is your only choice.. and as such, you'll be running bootcamp anyways, so you're buying a Windows license. Even so, suppose the world wanted to move to Mac.. Apple simply does not have the manufacturing capacity to meet the need of anything more than 5% of the market. They refuse to license their OS to third parties, and they can't meet demand. Apple is *NOT* an option.
    You keep acting like we don't have this operating system we DO like called Windows 7. Once again, we can stay on it longer than Microsoft can stay solvent, or until someone brings something better to market. Right now Microsoft has *a lot* of inertia to live off of, while they have their heads up their rear, but that does not last forever. Either they make stuff people want to buy, or they go broke. Thats business. Its happened to the best of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    So no, Microsoft has no fear of users going to another platform in any great quantity. Although they do have a fear that uses will stay on older versions of Windows.
    A very well-founded fear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    PC's break and die.
    Windows 7 discs don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    50% of the market is still on XP, but XP is will be end of life next year, meaning no more security updates. As users systems start to fall apart they will eventually move, and most PC's come with Windows 8.
    www.hp.com. Select Desktops, then Windows 7 PC's.. MAAAAGIC. Now go Laptops, then Windows 7... MAAAAGIC.
    www.asus.com. Products -> Desktops. Set for 'daily computing'. Select one. Note either the nifty 'Windows 8 or other editions available.' Some of the lower end computers like the Essentio CP1130 even outright say 'Windows 7 Home Premium, 64bit or other editions available'.
    If you want to buy a Windows 7 PC, it ain't hard. Companies tend to sell what people are interested in buying. Money is money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    The App store does indeed benefit Microsoft. But it also benefits app writers. It's opening up a whole new market for software developers that just didn't exist before. We always had shareware and what not, but people just did not make any money at it. Now the app store market opens up the ability for app writers to finally make some profit. If it follows the iOS app store model, then there are many new app store millionaires out there.
    And if it follows the iOS app store model(which it does), it'll be a bunch of garbage programs and a dumping zone for freeware cut-down versions of premium products that people can test out before buying the real thing and basically act as advertising. Actual premium software tools(the type that take millions, or tens of millions of development dollars), are not sold in app stores. You can make nice fart noises with your phone with one, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    They're not bleeding money. Microsoft is still making money. Have you checked their quarterly reports? Last quarter, they made $20.5B dollars, compared to $17.5B from the same quarter the year before. You're crazy if you think Microsoft is in any financial trouble.
    They are bleeding money. They just happen to be big enough and large enough that they're currently making money as a whole(Windows is just one division of the company), faster than they can bleed it. XBOX bled money for years to get the division going. I certainly agree Microsoft isn't in any current financial trouble, but they can't keep selling products that people aren't buying. It will come back to haunt them. They can't cannibalize past successes forever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Metro cannot run on top of the desktop. You are mistaken about that. Metro is a new Operating System.
    Lol... leave it to you to confuse metro with being an Operating System. Metro, or Modern, is a look and feel and navigation strategy for the human interface... as is the Desktop. RT is the 'operating system' and a methodology for using run-time apps on the system via walled gardens with security specific rules and what not. There is nothing at all preventing them from building it so that you can set an app to an icon on the desktop, double-click the icon and the app runs in a chromed window that can be maximized(to take up the whole screen) or minimized to the task bar. In fact, certain third party apps do just that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    You are also confusing the full-screen mode of Metro with the desktop. Yes, you're absolutely right that Microsoft has chosen to make Metro full screen at this point, but my belief is that this is just because Metro is not yet mature enough for them to have done anything else. Windows 8 is the first step upon the evolution of Metro, and I believe later versions will contain all the same functionality as the Win32 desktop does today.
    Just stop talking about stuff you know nothing about. Third party programs undo the restrictions from Microsoft and allow you to run apps in windows. The only reason you have to run that crap full screen is that Microsoft insists upon it. Go program an app sometime, the simulator lets you run the app right there on the desktop in a specialized windows format that allows you to click a button and the screen on the desktop rotates, or you can change resolutions at will to test the app in differing screen sizes. Literally, everything you do with an app can be run right off the desktop, if they wanted to allow you to do it. Its how it SHOULD be done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Desktop sales are dwindling. Tablet sales are skyrocketing. Smart Phone sales are skyrocketing.
    Apple and Android sales are skyrocketing. Apple and Android phones are skyrocketing. Nobody is impressed with 2 million Surface sales.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    You're living in a dream world if you think that Desktop PC sales will drive the future of computing.
    And yet your whole thesis is dependent upon the fact that people will be slurping up Windows for years to come and making Microsoft TRILLIONS, when Microsoft is barely 1% of that market.
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  6. #106


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    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Apple is doing the *EXACT SAME THING*. They are merging the MacOS and iOS environments. Remember Dashboard? That was their first stab at this.
    Oh, and mark my words.. when Apple does it, they'll more than likely simply build a wrapper to allow the system to essentially emulate your iOS apps in a window and you can then run them from an icon and drive them any which way you want from the desktop. Thats all that's really needed, most apps are toy programs and are just source code. We need desktops to be driven from a run-time operating system like we need a hole in the head. Its a layer that slows down everything that simply isn't needed, no matter how fast computers run.

    When you have programs that are tens or hundreds of millions of lines of code, waiting for them to compile at run-time is just lol stupid.
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  7. #107


    Toronto
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    Microsoft Windows 7 Enterprise 64-Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Apple is doing the *EXACT SAME THING*. They are merging the MacOS and iOS environments. Remember Dashboard? That was their first stab at this.
    Oh, and mark my words.. when Apple does it, they'll more than likely simply build a wrapper to allow the system to essentially emulate your iOS apps in a window and you can then run them from an icon and drive them any which way you want from the desktop. Thats all that's really needed, most apps are toy programs and are just source code. We need desktops to be driven from a run-time operating system like we need a hole in the head. Its a layer that slows down everything that simply isn't needed, no matter how fast computers run.

    When you have programs that are tens or hundreds of millions of lines of code, waiting for them to compile at run-time is just lol stupid.
    Goodmorning Chrisa,

    I agree with all of your thoughts and points of view 100%

    I been told yesterday from one of my inside sources within Microsoft that Windows 9 and Windows 10 will be built into 3 groups example 1 installer for PC Desktops and Laptops (yay) and 1 for the Tablets ( I don't care for ) and 1 for Smartphones ( I don't care for again )

    And the Windows 9 and Windows 10 will act and perform like the past Windows like before with fully working start and will come only in 64-bit and 128-bit for Desktops and Laptops, looks like 32-bit is going to dry up in the very near future.

    Lets all wait and see in 2014 when all of these 3 groups of Windows 9 starts hitting the market in the fall of 2014!

    Windows 10 will be also out sometime also with 3 groups in 2015 or so, there will be 2 brand new OS's coming out almost back to back this time around this time in the very near future this will be very Interesting for all the folks who think Microsoft isn't and doesn't have money problems cuz they do at this time with this Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 failed experiment and good old Vista that really hurt Microsoft's books, yes they do have large capital but large amounts of capital do start to run out as the years click by every year.

    Windows 8 is why the ax man is running around within Microsoft these days to clean house and make sure the right folks are at the right position for the major 180 turn with the new Microsoft Corp...

    Windows 8 project was a very expensive line and build then any other past Windows project that's why there is so much stress within the core at Microsoft Corp these days and this stress will be around for a very long time within Microsoft, and its still not yet over Microsoft is aware that all their products current and new will need to have their retail cost adjusted and lowered, to be able to play within the world wide game in software design and sales and support, Microsoft does know that the markets world wide are not healthy and companies do not have lots of money to do major upgrades at this time and for many years

    Microsoft is a very smart player but folks its the market and trends and balances and checks that make or break large companies at the end of the day, doesn't matter how big you are when people or mainstream players are not coming to eat from your table or want to play with you then for sure you know the answer what happens to very large companies like Microsoft or any other company that loses it touch and goes off the rails

    In these times the world is a much faster and different world then 15 years or even 5 years ago and its only going to get a lot faster from this point forward, the next 5 years will be very Interesting their will be a major turn over and brand new players and companies taking over and buying up each other and trust me, Microsoft and Apple and the others are aware of this change and that's is why there is all the stress in the IT world, world wide, its going to be dog eat dog in this field and very Interesting ( competition and market benchmarking is a very good thing ) Keeps all these Giant Companies in check at all times
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  8. #108


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    Quote Originally Posted by Explorertml View Post



    I been told yesterday from one of my inside sources within Microsoft that Windows 9 and Windows 10 will be built into 3 groups example 1 installer for PC Desktops and Laptops (yay) and 1 for the Tablets ( I don't care for ) and 1 for Smartphones ( I don't care for again )

    And the Windows 9 and Windows 10 will act and perform like the past Windows like before with fully working start and will come only in 64-bit and 128-bit for Desktops and Laptops, looks like 32-bit is going to dry up in the very near future.

    Lets all wait and see in 2014 when all of these 3 groups of Windows 9 starts hitting the market in the fall of 2014!
    Well, let's hope you're right. Windows 8, with the metro interface, was the single stupidest idea ms ever had, at least so far as it's implementation on the desktop is concerned. While I will continue to maintain that the choice to install desktop should have been included in 8, at least there may be a ray of sanity returning in the near future.
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  9. #109


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Explorertml View Post



    I been told yesterday from one of my inside sources within Microsoft that Windows 9 and Windows 10 will be built into 3 groups example 1 installer for PC Desktops and Laptops (yay) and 1 for the Tablets ( I don't care for ) and 1 for Smartphones ( I don't care for again )

    And the Windows 9 and Windows 10 will act and perform like the past Windows like before with fully working start and will come only in 64-bit and 128-bit for Desktops and Laptops, looks like 32-bit is going to dry up in the very near future.

    Lets all wait and see in 2014 when all of these 3 groups of Windows 9 starts hitting the market in the fall of 2014!
    Well, let's hope you're right. Windows 8, with the metro interface, was the single stupidest idea ms ever had, at least so far as it's implementation on the desktop is concerned. While I will continue to maintain that the choice to install desktop should have been included in 8, at least there may be a ray of sanity returning in the near future.
    Don't hold your breath. Microsoft seems to be incredibly stubborn to change their course. Even when the numbers are so obviously against them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Explorertml View Post



    I been told yesterday from one of my inside sources within Microsoft that Windows 9 and Windows 10 will be built into 3 groups example 1 installer for PC Desktops and Laptops (yay) and 1 for the Tablets ( I don't care for ) and 1 for Smartphones ( I don't care for again )

    And the Windows 9 and Windows 10 will act and perform like the past Windows like before with fully working start and will come only in 64-bit and 128-bit for Desktops and Laptops, looks like 32-bit is going to dry up in the very near future.

    Lets all wait and see in 2014 when all of these 3 groups of Windows 9 starts hitting the market in the fall of 2014!
    Well, let's hope you're right. Windows 8, with the metro interface, was the single stupidest idea ms ever had, at least so far as it's implementation on the desktop is concerned. While I will continue to maintain that the choice to install desktop should have been included in 8, at least there may be a ray of sanity returning in the near future.
    Hi Rickkins,

    They will and have no choice in the matter, the road is now again an uphill for Microsoft and there is only one choice at this time to come back and get all of Mainstream and Main Street firms and Companies and Governments back with future and stable upgrades and lighting fast support in regards to their new and new ways of their new designed OS's like Windows 9 and Windows 10 they really lost their direction with Windows 8 and SP1 so called Windows Blue 8.1, that was a slap in the face in the Mainstream on Main Street sector, that's Microsoft's bread and butter...

    Microsoft has no other choices to make at this time or anytime in the future, they need to bring back solid OS's back into the market that Rock and Roll like Windows XP Pro and Windows NT, and Least but #1 Windows 7 and Mr Gates and Department Heads within the Windows Design and Engineering are fully aware of that fact...

    But Windows 8 did again do major damage and more damage then Windows Vista did this time around lots of folks have been fired in the hundreds and still counting, this is just over Windows 8 and lets see what's what is in store for Mr Ballmer, in the next few days to weeks...

    Like is have been told Mr Gates is seen walking the hall ways and he isn't (not a happy camper these day ) looks like and sounds like their will be 180 turn around within the Microsoft Core by year end...
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