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Xbox One Drops 24 hour check in and game sharing will work

  1. #11


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    I think people have proven they'll give up ownership of content with music and movies, and I don't think video games are going to be an exception in the long term (and pushing things out to content providers like this does open up interesting opportunities, like the family sharing plan that seems to have been axed now, for instance). What I think is necessary is finding a way to make it so that people can still have the physical media if they'd want to purchase that, and downloadable content (at a reduced price sometime not to distant after original release - I think this is another important part of the equation) if the convenience is easier.

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  2. #12


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    There is no problem with the choice of buying the album/film/game ( in which case you have full ownership ), or renting as an option.

    Unless of course, the buying option is deliberately over priced to force users into eternal renting.
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by acr731 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EMINENT View Post
    Horrible news. I cannot believe this. Completely ruined my expectation of the system. I DO NOT want to use a disc or even mess with that prehistoric medium. This is like going backwards.

    Are you serious or being seriously sarcastic? I think Microsoft saw the writing on the wall and wasn't willing to lose the console war before it even started. And that's exactly what they were facing. Their strategy was ridiculous and reeked of greed and I'm glad they backed down.

    It still won't sway me away from the PS4, though. Microsoft has ticked off a lot of people and burned some bridges along the way. Winning them back is going to take a bit more than what they are doing.
    I think a lot of people against anything here is trying to speak for the lot of us, and we simply do not share the same opinion. Sorry. I do not want to use discs. No sharing of games online is unacceptable.
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  4. #14


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    but people were arguing principles rather than real world usage.

    like a console that doesn't require the internet. and yet the vast majority of users do have their consoles connected to the Internet.

    the right to pass discs to friends. I haven't done this in a long time. my Xbox friends are scattered across the US. the game sharing plan would've been the best thing. can you imagine sharing all the games that your list of 10 people have? without having to drive somewhere. without having to physically lend your disc and having to wait for the disc to come back to play it.

    Now, I actually have to buy every game I want to play. My friends and I had already split up the launch titles and got 1 title each. buying 1 to play 10...

    I don't sell my games to Gamestop. They give you nearly nothing and then turn around and sell it for a ton.

    I don't rent games from Gamefly. Gamefly is even worse than ownership! You pay $16-23/month and you don't own anything! and you only get 1-2 games at a time. and if you want to play a new, popular game, it takes forever to get the disc.

    it's like people are arguing principles but does it fit their actual buying habits?

    going back to the 360 way is okay. it's what we're already used to. but it had the potential to be more. imagine installing the game and being able to ditch the disc. in fact, pack that disc away in the garage for safekeeping.

    it's funny that the web sites that are now bringing up the death of the friends and family share plan made virtually zero mention of the plan prior. Kotaku, you listening?

    but it is a win for the people that want a system in the traditional sense.
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  5. #15


    Personally, I'm going to consider buying the games digitally. Saves me gas and time going to the store or ordering online, and no need for the pre-order bull crap. Like I said above, I don't really want discs in the tray if I can help it as my kids take out my games and often leave them who knows where.

    I don't share games with friends, cannot remember the last time that happened. And I've never sold a game back, and only bought a used game once. I've probably only rented 2 games since getting my 360 back in 2006.

    The concept of being able to share with a family, or group of 10 people was quite interesting. I would have made use of that for sure.

    As far as the always on internet connection goes, my console is always connected as I play mostly multiplayer games. But having to have it for single player games was irritating, but because I didn't have internet...but in the event that maybe I was moving, or switching ISP's, or my router was down, or any other number of reasons I might go without Internet for a few days, I wouldn't want to not be able to play ANYTHING at all. I can understand not having multiplayer, but not having access to single player mode either is just too much to ask, as far as I am concerned.


    It was only recently that I switched to digital music. i buy MP3's from Amazon and I find that I save a fair amount of money, the selection is great, I don't have to travel to the store, I don't have to take the time to burn them to MP3, I can have them safely stored in my computer, but in the event I lose my data at home they are always available for me in the Amazon cloud. I can stream them easily on my phone via the Amazon MP3 app on my Droid. All in all, very happy with the change from physical discs.

    I also recently purchased, "digitally", the movie Sound City (Dave Grohl documentary). It was $10, no DRM measures, it was available in 720p and 1080p, as well as in 2 channel audio and 5.1. It was super convenient to have the movie within 10 minutes of deciding that I wanted it, and it's been copied to my hard drive and isn't taking room on a shelf. I "could" let a friend borrow it by providing them a copy of it (If I wanted to), and it's available still for download if I ever have a need to download it again.

    Physical media is going away, even for somebody like me who has adopted it slowly.
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  6. #16


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Personally, I'm going to consider buying the games digitally. Saves me gas and time going to the store or ordering online, and no need for the pre-order bull crap. Like I said above, I don't really want discs in the tray if I can help it as my kids take out my games and often leave them who knows where.

    I don't share games with friends, cannot remember the last time that happened. And I've never sold a game back, and only bought a used game once. I've probably only rented 2 games since getting my 360 back in 2006.

    The concept of being able to share with a family, or group of 10 people was quite interesting. I would have made use of that for sure.

    As far as the always on internet connection goes, my console is always connected as I play mostly multiplayer games. But having to have it for single player games was irritating, but because I didn't have internet...but in the event that maybe I was moving, or switching ISP's, or my router was down, or any other number of reasons I might go without Internet for a few days, I wouldn't want to not be able to play ANYTHING at all. I can understand not having multiplayer, but not having access to single player mode either is just too much to ask, as far as I am concerned.


    It was only recently that I switched to digital music. i buy MP3's from Amazon and I find that I save a fair amount of money, the selection is great, I don't have to travel to the store, I don't have to take the time to burn them to MP3, I can have them safely stored in my computer, but in the event I lose my data at home they are always available for me in the Amazon cloud. I can stream them easily on my phone via the Amazon MP3 app on my Droid. All in all, very happy with the change from physical discs.

    I also recently purchased, "digitally", the movie Sound City (Dave Grohl documentary). It was $10, no DRM measures, it was available in 720p and 1080p, as well as in 2 channel audio and 5.1. It was super convenient to have the movie within 10 minutes of deciding that I wanted it, and it's been copied to my hard drive and isn't taking room on a shelf. I "could" let a friend borrow it by providing them a copy of it (If I wanted to), and it's available still for download if I ever have a need to download it again.

    Physical media is going away, even for somebody like me who has adopted it slowly.
    Hi there
    What's all the fuss -- simply "Clone" the DVD with something like AnyDVD and then simply mount the "ISO" as a virtual drive -- I'm assuming that the Xbox itself will run W8 or can access "Network" drives -- therefore should be able to read a mounted ISO disk.

    I play commercial DVD's this way -- I've copied them to HDD via the same program and then simply mount the virtual ISO and play with VLC for example.

    SlySoft AnyDVD | any dvd, region free, backup dvd, dvd copy, copy dvd movies, dvd backup software, dvd copying software

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #17


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    Now all Microsoft have to do is remove the useless mandatory Kinect 2.0 that comes with the XBone and drop the price down $100 and they'll be set to compete against the best in next generation console gaming.

    Edit:

    After even then (drop Kinect 2.0 and $100 price drop) it's still debatable as to who will win in next generation console gaming systems, PS4's controller and console power is still technically more advanced than the XBone controller and console.
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  8. #18


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    What's all the fuss -- simply "Clone" the DVD with something like AnyDVD and then simply mount the "ISO" as a virtual drive -- I'm assuming that the Xbox itself will run W8 or can access "Network" drives -- therefore should be able to read a mounted ISO disk.
    It's an interesting proposition. I take it that you have never owned or used an Xbox. Give me a shout once you have figured out how to get it to connect to network drives and mount an ISO file.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nemix View Post
    Now all Microsoft have to do is remove the useless mandatory Kinect 2.0 that comes with the XBone and drop the price down $100 and they'll be set to compete against the best in next generation console gaming.
    Well, I don't think you will see Kinect going away. MS doesn't want this as optional, this way game developers won't have to develop for those who do have and who don't have Kinect.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nemix View Post
    After even then (drop Kinect 2.0 and $100 price drop) it's still debatable as to who will win in next generation console gaming systems, PS4's controller and console power is still technically more advanced than the XBone controller and console.

    It's always debateable. Hardware cannot really be compared. It's not apples to apples. People went on and on about how technically superior the PS3 was in every way, shape and form. Yet, to this day, I find both consoles to be pretty much the same. Both have sold about the same.
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  9. #19


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    Apparently a world of people don't want to go backwards. Thanks again to a few whiners, we get to re-visit the past.

    A Vocal Minority Of Idiots (& Journalists) Ruin Innovations On The Xbox One

    Posted by Suril Amin




    The Xbox One reverses its course on DRM, great news, right? Wrong. While part of the developer story still remains to be seen at the BUILD conference, what we have now is a console that is not too much different than the Xbox 360 (Xbox 361?) or the PS4 for that matter. Earlier today a Microsoft spokesman confirmed that


    • Your entire games collection will no longer be available from the cloud.
    • Playing disc based games will requite will require the disc for playback.
    • Also, we will no longer offer family game sharing from the cloud.
    • The sharing of games will work as it does on Xbox 360, you’ll simply share the disc.
    • Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold

    The Xbox One originally saw itself as an authentically digital device, and now we take a step backwards where people are stuck with their discs. When is the last time you saw a PC Gamer complaining about not being able to re-sell their used game on Steam. Microsoft was originally also allowing you to share games with up to 10 friends. Imagine a family where a Dad and his two sons want to play Halo against each other. With the Xbox One, they would only need one copy of Halo, now with the changed rules, they need to buy three.
    Gizmodo made a nice list of some possible scenarios that would have been possible with the Xbox One, but are not longer.
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  10. #20


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    What's all the fuss -- simply "Clone" the DVD with something like AnyDVD and then simply mount the "ISO" as a virtual drive -- I'm assuming that the Xbox itself will run W8 or can access "Network" drives -- therefore should be able to read a mounted ISO disk.
    It's an interesting proposition. I take it that you have never owned or used an Xbox. Give me a shout once you have figured out how to get it to connect to network drives and mount an ISO file.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nemix View Post
    Now all Microsoft have to do is remove the useless mandatory Kinect 2.0 that comes with the XBone and drop the price down $100 and they'll be set to compete against the best in next generation console gaming.
    Well, I don't think you will see Kinect going away. MS doesn't want this as optional, this way game developers won't have to develop for those who do have and who don't have Kinect.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nemix View Post
    After even then (drop Kinect 2.0 and $100 price drop) it's still debatable as to who will win in next generation console gaming systems, PS4's controller and console power is still technically more advanced than the XBone controller and console.

    It's always debateable. Hardware cannot really be compared. It's not apples to apples. People went on and on about how technically superior the PS3 was in every way, shape and form. Yet, to this day, I find both consoles to be pretty much the same. Both have sold about the same.
    Hi there
    I'm going to be playing with one this weekend -- I'll see how it goes -- - I can play with one for about 3 days.

    In theory though it should work certainly on a Local device -- I know already that the device is recognized on a Network as a Media device.
    -
    UPnP with Windows connect looks a good place to start. My router has UPnP Media sharing - note this is NOT to be confused with UPnP Port forwarding - that's different.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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