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Xbox One's DRM puportedly explained by "Xbox engineer"

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    Xbox One's DRM puportedly explained by "Xbox engineer"


    http://www.neowin.net/news/anonymous...one-intentions

    >It's a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it's growing pains at the beginning with all it's drm shit as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on 4chan too...) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted shit.
    >Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can't get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.

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    So basically the Steam PC gaming model is apparently being used. This to me just hits home to what I thought after watching the Xbox One reveal event video, it's just a Home Theater/Gaming PC. Having to install games BEFORE you play? This is EXACTLY what PC gamers have been pretty much been doing since PC gaming began decades ago. Having your game collection in the cloud as well as games installed locally? That is LITERALLY what you do if you're a Steam gamer. And yes, the WHOLE reason why Steam is so hugely adopted among PC gamers is their absurd sales every six to eight months of which one of my gamer friends once said, "Steam's starting to piss me off! I have so many games and I haven't even played most of them because they keep having sales!" It's freaking crazy to buy 32 gigs of a PC game for about 10 dollars. In the console world with a DVD (considering this would be 2 DVD that held 16 gigs) this would cost a good 80+ dollars.

    The Xbox One is a obviously a huge shift for console gaming. It's no longer a simple user friendly gaming PC (I use this term lightly since last gen consoles are more closer to higher end smartphones in terms of hardware than a modern day gaming PC), it's more a straight up, I'm not f'ing around gaming PC running Windows, running more of a Steam model.

    Your move Sony.
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    that's a fascinating piece. if true, it maybe indicates that maybe the engineers should talk to the public rather than PR people because the PR people aren't good at talking tech and aren't talking like regular people would talk. a lot of great info about the Xbox One is being drowned out there because they're letting a narrative be written that isn't right.
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    That is true! Even the engineer said that they suck at telling the story!
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    I don't and won't use Steam etc on the PC (a better gaming setup than ANY console) so why would I want it on a console?

    No, I'll stick to buying and playing my games the way I do now, on a PC, with no net needed, and no restrictions on what I do with my games once I've bought them (apart from pirating them for profit).

    Sorry, but that system sucks, and I'm so not interested.

    Wenda.
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    Hi there
    I'd put a punt on the new XBOX actually being phenomenally successful -- but not in the way the original designers had in mind for it.

    I can see the new XBOX as being great as a HOME SERVER - it has all the decent attributes for a server already built in -- it's network and multi-media "Sharing" ready and has a decent set of hardware.

    I don't do gaming in any way at all on a PC (apart from the odd dabbles with the old standards like "Spider Solitaire" while waiting for say a slow web page to appear or a download to complete) but I do use a Server.

    I really can see the XBOX as useful for this and might even replace an aging PC running SUSE and an apache server with one of these XBOXes.

    If you look at the capabilities of these OUTSIDE gaming they are actually quite good and interesting -- and a lot cheaper than buying a COMMERCIAL computer designed as a server machine.

    The heyday of Computer gaming in any case as passed -- while a HUGE market it's essentially a mature one and won't have anything like the growth potential of previous years -- which is why I think in the longer term Sony has backed the wrong horse as their device is ONLY used for Gaming whereas the new XBOX is far more flexible.

    In the future people will want PROPER Virtual Reality and eventually full Holographic 3-D gaming experience -- that will kick start the market again - but these features STILL require an exponential leap in compute processing power to what we already have now.

    I can probably source one of these VAT Free so it makes a better deal than a new desktop for my Server use.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    The heyday of Computer gaming in any case as passed -- while a HUGE market it's essentially a mature one and won't have anything like the growth potential of previous years -- which is why I think in the longer term Sony has backed the wrong horse as their device is ONLY used for Gaming whereas the new XBOX is far more flexible.
    While I typically agree with many of your posts, it's clear in this case that you don't own these consoles nor really use them.

    The PS3 isn't just a gaming console, and the PS4 won't be either. For many people, their PS3 is their blu-ray player. I know that I use my PS3 far more for watching movies than I do playing games. In addition, the PS3 has app support and it's what I use at home for things like Netflix and Hulu. Also, the PS3 is the device that I use as a media streamer from my existing home server. I use it for watching movies, I use it for playback of my own video's and it's what I use for doing picture slide shows and such on the TV. My PS3 is also the device that I use for playing back music from my home network through the home theater system. < My current Xbox360 can do these things as well, but I prefer to use the PS3 for it. It's either faster, smoother or more reliable. It just works better for me. And also, the PS3 is silent, where the 360 is far from silent...it's a noisy little bugger and distracting in my opinion when watching movies.

    On the flip side, the only real non-gaming thing that I do on my 360 is HBO-GO. For whatever reason, HBO-GO is not available on the PS3. If it were available on the PS3, it's surely where I would use it. And there are tons of posts for people pleading for Sony to get HBO-GO support on their PS3.
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    They haven't really explained the reason why it must call home every 24 hours or be online to play a single player game. So if my modem goes out, or I lose satalite for a a couple days, I can't even play a game. Personally I still can't get over the "we have a console for that, it's called the xbox 360" comment. Just came accross arrogant as heck to me...

    I will admit I am not much of a gamer, and certainly not much of a console gamer. I use Steam, but they have the option to go offline and still play your games, you can keep it offline for quite some time. So if I lose interwebs, I can still go kill a dragon or two on Skyrim.

    They also aren't saying much about used games or letting a friend borrow one....

    Geeve
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    Don't worry about your home internet going down, Microsoft corporate VP Phil Harrison suggests that you just tether your console to your mobile phone. It's only like 2KB for a daily ping, so it won't eat up your data.

    I'm very curious as to why this daily check is really required. I'm very interested in hearing what it's really doing and what problems they believe it will resolve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Don't worry about your home internet going down, Microsoft corporate VP Phil Harrison suggests that you just tether your console to your mobile phone. It's only like 2KB for a daily ping, so it won't eat up your data.

    I'm very curious as to why this daily check is really required. I'm very interested in hearing what it's really doing and what problems they believe it will resolve.
    LOL! Sure I will add the monthly Xbox live cost and a tethering plan to my cell phone so I can play a single player game

    I would like to know what they are doing with the calls home as well....

    Geeve
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