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Xbox One's DRM puportedly explained by "Xbox engineer"

  1. #11

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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Don't worry about your home internet going down, Microsoft corporate VP Phil Harrison suggests that you just tether your console to your mobile phone. It's only like 2KB for a daily ping, so it won't eat up your data.

    I'm very curious as to why this daily check is really required. I'm very interested in hearing what it's really doing and what problems they believe it will resolve.
    This is the bad side of the internet.

    I have an Android smart-phone. I have an Android tablet (7", ICS). I have several computers, running over FIFTEEN different operating systems. About half are MS systems.

    And these clowns think I want them all 'connected"?


    Some of these OSes are twenty years old, or more. I'd never consider putting them online, although i do use them semi-regularly.

    I'll connect them (or not) on my intranet at my leisure. Or not. But I'd NEVER put most of them online.

    MS and this whole concept can go to the Devil.


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  2. #12

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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit, Ubuntu 13.04 64-Bit

    Not all of us have a mobile data plan to tether a phone in with, but granted, satellite internet in itself is terrible anyways. I've known people to pick dialup before satellite if they live out in the middle of nowhere and can't get a -real- connection. With satellite you're dealing with massive latency, extremely steep bandwidth monthly limits, and every little raindrop interfering with your connection. It's basically not even a usable connection type for websurfing let alone gaming.

    Fortunately, I have a very stable cable connection where I live so this would not be a worry for me. I don't own any xbox consoles-- mostly because I can't use an xbox as an HD movie player (the PS3 can play blurays, I can't stand playing DVDs or other low res media on a 1080p HDTV) and you have to pay a monthly fee to play any game online. That's stupid, considering you already have to pay for your internet connection, now you have to pay for another internet connection on top of that to play a game with a buddy? Nevermind if you have an MMO subscription or something on top of all that. It's crazy.

    Anyways, Microsoft only gave me even less reason now to own one of their consoles with the xbox one, because often times I get hand-me-down games from my sister for PS3 to save money and still get my game on and if you can't do that on xbox then you know there goes the source of much of my games right there. Steam works on PC because PC is so flexible and adaptable and Steam isn't nearly as restrictive, either. Also, because of sales, you can actually afford to buy and own many games instead of having to borrow most from a family member or friend to save money. Also, with Steam, you always knew that once you bought a game, it's yours to keep as long as you don't lose your account. You knew you weren't trading them from the start, so part of it is a 'what was it like before?' vs 'what is it like now?'. Xbox users are used to having a disc they can share.
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  3. #13

    Never been to Heaven......
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    I have been really lucky with my Connection out in the sticks. I run at close to 3 to 4 down and 2 up and haven't had much trouble losing it in rain. When we had all those super cell storms with tornado and such it was hit or miss though. The latency is a whole different issue, but they tell you up front not to try true online multiplayer unless you really like to respawn before you touch the keyboard. I am however stuck with a 27 GB limit a month, I haven't come close to hitting it yet. That's with two PC's, two Tablets, two smart phones attached to it all the time. Heck it blows the connection I had when we lived in town (DSL) out of the water....

    You are correct as far as Steam goes as well....

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  4. #14

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeve420 View Post
    They also aren't saying much about used games or letting a friend borrow one....

    there are 2 things:

    1) the family/friends list. up to 10 people. you have access to the entire software library of that person. this is a potential boon as it means you don't have to personally purchase a lot of games but you can have access to a lot depending on how much each family member purchases. so person A has 5 games, person B has 7 games. that's 12 games between the two that they can play. only upfront limitation is that a game can only be played by primary owner plus 1 family member only.

    How Games Licensing Works on Xbox One

    Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friendís house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

    Microsoft defends the Xbox One’s licensing, used game policies | Ars Technica

    For one, a family member doesn't have to be a "blood relative," he said, eliminating the extremely unlikely possibility that the Xbox One would include a built-in blood testing kit. For another, they don't have to live in the primary owner's houseóI could name a friend that lives 3,000 miles away as one of my "family members" [Microsoft Xbox Chief Marketing and Strategy Officer Yusuf] Mehdi said.

    2) for used/trading/reselling...

    this is for titles you actually don't want anymore and want to either give it away or resell it (and separate from the friends/family list). in terms of retailers, it has to be with a "participating retailer."

    for selling or giving it to a friend, that's still unknown or very vague. Phil Harrison talked about how you bring the disc over, leave it there, friend wants to continue playing it so he would therefore have to pay for it. all nebulous stuff.
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  5. #15

    Never been to Heaven......
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    Thanks for the info Dirtyvu!

    Still on the fence with it though.....

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  6. #16

    Yeah, the sharing aspects are interesting. I started a thread earlier today to discuss this very concept to see what the reaction was like;

    Xbox One Game Sharing
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  7. #17

    Never been to Heaven......
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    It is interesting, but I can't get past the always connected thing or the required kinect. That just rubs me in all the wrong ways....kinda like my 8th grade girlfriend LOL!

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  8. #18

    I'm not happy about the internet part of it but I can live with it. As far as Kinect goes I guess there is an option to disable it from listening when its off. I already have a Kinect sensor for my 360 and its always connected.
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  9. #19

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    So if they are following the Steam model, can we expect super sales every few months? I doubt it!
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  10. #20

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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit

    I just can't get past the idea that I'd be essentially renting my games from here on out. Games that require internet connections, call home capability and patches are not games I'd be dragging out to play again years in the future. They might as well go download only at this point cause the media has no value anymore. It also pisses me off that my collection of XBL arcade titles aren't compatible with the Xbox One. Basically I just lost everything I bought and even though there are more XBLA games I want, there is no way I'm buying them now.
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