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The Windows 8.1 Start Button Is a Sign of Defeat for MSFT

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    The Windows 8.1 Start Button Is a Sign of Defeat for MSFT


    Windows 8.1 will represent not only the first major makeover for Windows 8, but it will also mark the return of the Start button, a very popular feature removed by Microsoft from its latest OS.

    While this should be great news for consumers who have already migrated to Windows 8, some of them think that bringing back the Start button in Windows 8.1 is actually a sign of defeat for Microsoft, even though the company has clearly explained that it wants to get closer to its users.

    The YouTube page of Microsoft’s first Windows 8.1 video preview is filled with comments that criticize Microsoft for its decision, but also call for a real Start button that would launch the traditional Start Menu.

    In Windows 8.1, the button would only get users to the Start screen, thus providing them with a quick option to access the Metro UI.

    “Windows 8 to have the start button in the lower left corner is a sign of defeat and, ultimately, it's a sign of Windows 8's failure to attract customers with its new features. I think that Microsoft just threw way too many new things at us in one package. If they did what Apple and Android do and increment new changes at a steady pace (every 6 months or so), Windows 8 could have been a lot more successful,” one user explained.
    The Windows 8.1 Start Button Is a Sign of Defeat for Microsoft, Users Claim

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    If they were really defeated, they would of put in the Windows 7 Start Menu along with the Start button. Putting in the Start button will placate some, but all it does is provide a way to get to the Windows 8 Start Menu. I welcome the change; however, I still need a 3rd party program, such as Start8, to provide me a simulated Windows 7 Start Menu. Microsoft, along with providing the Start button, now provides us a way to boot directly to the start screen of our choice.

    The Start button is a start.... (pun intended)
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    It's not really a start. MS don't intend to provide a start menu at some later stage.

    That is not what win 8 is for. It is to get users into the online services. A few apps. bit of synchronising, bit of storage on skydrive - Bing is handling the searches, etc. Then MS have got them. They are unlikely to move to google .

    That is why the metro stuff is in a desktop os. They want to get their existing user base hooked in. Those 330m or so each year who were going to buy a new pc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N30 View Post
    If they were really defeated, they would of put in the Windows 7 Start Menu along with the Start button. Putting in the Start button will placate some, but all it does is provide a way to get to the Windows 8 Start Menu. I welcome the change; however, I still need a 3rd party program, such as Start8, to provide me a simulated Windows 7 Start Menu. Microsoft, along with providing the Start button, now provides us a way to boot directly to the start screen of our choice.

    The Start button is a start.... (pun intended)
    The Start Button leading to the Start Screen could also be a STOP button for buying Windows.
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    I really wonder if I'm going to use the Start button once it comes back. I'm so used to the way things are right now (with the Edge UI and making things happen by moving the mouse into the corners) that it's been feeling natural for quite a while once I got over the initial learning curve (which didn't take long).

    Maybe the users were right and for desktops, it didn't make sense to hide the Start button the way they did. But I don't mind that it will still go the Start screen; I like the Start screen better because it uses up all my screen real estate and I can see more.
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    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It's not really a start. MS don't intend to provide a start menu at some later stage.

    That is not what win 8 is for. It is to get users into the online services. A few apps. bit of synchronising, bit of storage on skydrive - Bing is handling the searches, etc. Then MS have got them. They are unlikely to move to google .

    That is why the metro stuff is in a desktop os. They want to get their existing user base hooked in. Those 330m or so each year who were going to buy a new pc.
    See, that's why MS is choking to Deth right now! It's because they refuse to Budge on this issue, the concept that just about everybody doesn't WANT to use Metro is not sinking into their demented brains. The Concept that you MUST have some kind of Program Files menu has been a given for all versions of Windows, it is too ingrained into the Users Minds. And Not "at this time" - I mean Forever.

    I tried, I tried, I tried - To use the Metro screen to access my programs. I DON'T LIKE IT! Sorry for yelling!

    It's simply not appropriate to use it to access Desktop Programs, when you are in the Desktop, that's where you are, and nobody wants to "move back and forth" between screens to open another Program.

    It takes too many Mouse Moves, and to say, "Oh, well you gotta have a Touchscreen" is a lame excuse, because nobody likes using a vertical touchscreen, as it exacerbates Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.

    To use a TS you must have the surface FLAT. Windows 8 is no problem for devices and tablets, but on a PC it is ridiculous. What am I gonna do, stand up and hit buttons on my 40" Monitor? People who use PC Workstations use either the Keyboard and Mouse, or like me they use Remote Devices, like Mobile Mouse and VLC Remote. Thats what I do, what is the sense of having a 40 to 50 inch HDTV Monitor with a Touch Screen? It could be nice in a Star Trek kind of way, but even on Star Trek, the LCARS displays were FLAT like Devices.

    Metro is simply bad for PCs, PC means Desktop, not Device.

    I'll reserve Judgment until I upgrade one of my PC Workstations as to the Desktop side of the OS, because that's all I am interested in. If my Programs will run, that's all I care about. I don't give two poops about Metro or Modern or whatever the blazes they wanna call it. Now I love the Win 8 Desktop, but when is MS going to fire everyone who thought up this wondrous "boon" they call Windows 8, and hire some Devs who will make the OS into the Desktop System it deserves to be?
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    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Quote Originally Posted by msdos622wasfun View Post
    I really wonder if I'm going to use the Start button once it comes back. I'm so used to the way things are right now (with the Edge UI and making things happen by moving the mouse into the corners) that it's been feeling natural for quite a while once I got over the initial learning curve (which didn't take long).
    I'll tell you flat out - I will do everything in my power to remove it! And stick Start 8 back in.
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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there.

    You don't need to move back and forth to the start screen and desktop to access your programs.

    1) Simply pin any programs you want to appear on the DESKTOP (just like W7). To do this simply open the file location via right mouse click and when you are in file explorer right click on the .EXE file and SEND TO DESKTOP.

    2) Other programs which you regularly use a lot but don't want on the desktop -- pin to taskbar -- for example I have OUTLOOK, Snipping tool, VMWARE workstation etc.

    3) For a menu like system simply create a custom toolbar with the programs you want to appear .

    Then you've got an almost identical situation that you had in W7. The only annoying feature is you have to initially click desktop to get to the desktop. With 8.1 you can BOOT DIRECTLY TO THE DESKTOP so you never even have to SEE the metro stuff if you don't want to. Actually now that some of these applications can be made to work in re-sizeable windowed mode and with multi - monitors there could be use for them after all -- I wouldn't mind for instance having a small re-sizeable window showing Real Time Market data while I'm working for example. Possible now in 8.1

    Making Metro full screen only or even Half screen (side by side) was a BIG BIG boo boo for desktops / multi-monitor systems -- especially for those with large monitors which an ever increasing number of us do have these days. I suspect even tablet users like plugging in to a large monitor from time to time - especially if they want to watch a movie. Fixing that issue should also make 8.1 a lot more acceptable.

    Anyway here's my current W8 - with some desktop icons, some applications pinned to the task bar and a "menu" type system using a custom tool bar.

    I think the W8.1 system actually is a lot more promising than most people here are saying - and if the install standard applications is fixed so it doesn't generate a myriad of tiles then it will be fine.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    But nobody is really worried about the "Start Menu". They want the Desktop. Eg. explorer.exe.

    I know, it is semantics. But it is still irritating.
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    Who cares? The people who hate MS already, will continue to badmouth them - the ones who don't hate MS will go along with whatever MS does. It's all a matter of preferences and how you handle the situation....
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