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Windows XP diehards: Can you survive April 2014 deadline?

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    Windows XP diehards: Can you survive April 2014 deadline?

    Some organisations intend to keep running Windows XP after support ends next April, but the options for doing so safely are narrowing.

    To those planning to stick resolutely with the aged Windows XP operating system even after Microsoft ends support next year, the advice from experts is simple: Don't do it.

    But despite the chorus of warnings, there are fallback measures for diehard XP users, who could still constitute as many as 40 percent of businesses. One in five of the organisations currently using the OS intend to stick with it after the 8 April 2014 end-of-life deadline for support, according to research from software consultancy Camwood.
    Read more at: Windows XP diehards: Can you survive the April 2014 deadline? | ZDNet

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    Isolation Could Make Windows XP the Best OS for Ever

    Windows XP will officially go dark on April 8, 2014, so users are now urged to upgrade to a newer operating system as soon as possible. Only if they want their data to be fully secure, that is.

    But some organizations have apparently found the key to continue using Windows XP beyond the retirement date: isolation.

    Basically, if you push a Windows XP computer offline, the threats that Microsoft is talking about so often no longer exist, so you can safely stick to XP for as long as you want.
    Isolation Could Make Windows XP the Best OS for Ever
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    If you havent mastered Win XP by now, and always have problems with systems. Luckily for you there are forums like these with members with awesome experiences to keep you going!
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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).

    I'll be keeping my XP installation, no matter what. But it won't be online, it won't need to be, and it isn't now. It will go online one last time before EOL to get the last of the updates, then be disconnected for good.

    Sure, it's insecure if you're online. But the internet isn't the be-all and end-all of computing. Far from it. Those who think the internet is computing, or that it's essential to computing, haven't 'got it', I'm sorry to say.

    This is something MS and the fanbois can't seem to grasp, that it's perfectly possible to use a computer productively without internet access. In fact, millions of people compute that way every day, and not all of them in 3rd-world countries.

    An XP setup running a machine in a factory doesn't need the internet. Nor does one that's used for archiving/backing-up other machines, or as a print-server, for example. Mine runs my printers/scanner and also most of my older games, none of which need the internet. It will, however, remain connected to my home network.

    Quite frankly, this whole thing's a non-event. Those who want to continue using it will do so, those who don't won't, and there's very little anyone can do about that. And I think that's a good thing.

    I even still run a copy of NT4 quite satisfactorily. But I'd think twice before ever going online with it.

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    I am using an XP box as a data logger it is on 24/7 it has an up time now of 289 days.
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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there.

    I can't really imagine the article was seriously written by anyone who purports to understand ANYTHING at all about either how businesses work or even I.T depts.

    And who are these "Experts" saying Don't do it -- do they really expect some businesses to spend several HUNDRED THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS(US) on replacing expensive but perfectly functioning engineering machine tools etc with new ones simply because the newer OS'es don't have applications or drivers for the equipment --some of the stuff I'm talking about has life cycles of perhaps up to 50 years -- and in the mean time the original manufacturer has either ceased production or been taken over by other people whio no longer support the older gear.

    The whole article seemed to revolve around the failings in using XP on the Internet -- for 90% of typical offices corporate applications usually involve local applications (even if they are big back end ERP systems etc) or private intranets.

    To basically waste almost the whole article in describing about security flaws on XP was a total waste of space -- anybody who needs to use XP after support ends can run it "Until the cows come home" 100% safely and reliably by simply running it as a Virtual machine where all their legacy apps will still work and simply isolate the XP machine from the public Internet -- job easily done - but hardly a mention of this fact too.

    I'm still using regularly (and will continue to use) a W2K3 server (basically a server version of XP) as a Virtual machine -- and it runs my legacy applications and hardware just fine.

    Some of the people who write those technical articles should really go back to teaching primary school kids basic arithmetic and leave computing to those that know how to do it.

    Providing a W2K3 virtual server in a business environment will easily solve most people's legacy XP problems -- and for those stand alone machines that ran things like say Laboratory equipment etc - there's no security involved as these don't have to be connected to any internet.

    (Note running XP applications from a Windows XP server on client machines is simple too -- the front end could even be a Windows tablet !!).

    No Panic really -- all you need to be aware of is that a) some Internet sites won't display or execute content properly -- but you don't need to use XP for the Internet, and b) security updates will cease -- but on Private Networks and stand alone machines is that actually a problem. !!

    Even these OS'es can be run safely in Virtual machines (Windows 3.11 and W98 shown here) !! and AFAIK there haven't been security updates for YEARS (if there were even any at all in the first case). I wouldn't run IE though normally on a W98 Virtual machine but it still can be done as shown.

    BTW slightly OT - not sure what all the fuss over the START button is -- Windows 3.11 never had it and there weren't any complaints over that. !!!!

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    I can understand businesses continuing to use it, and that is perfectly fine. Also, if you have an old computer, sure whatever. However! There are regular home users of computers who will buy a computer with a core i7 processor, 8gb of RAM, and SSD for gaming or other intensive stuff and will GUT windows 7 off the machine and replace it with windows XP because they are so stubborn not to ever use anything newer than XP.

    Why would you EVER replace windows 7 with windows XP on any decent modern machine? -_- You can't use most of the RAM, you can't use the i7 nearly efficiently, and the SSD? You'd be killing it fast without native TRIM support and nevermind the fact you'd be running it in IDE instead of AHCI. There's plenty of people who sacrifice most of their hardware capabilities (and nevermind their money's worth) being so in love with XP they can't possible move on. These kind of luddites are the most irritating.

    There are people who CAN'T install XP properly on some machines because some drivers don't exist for it or other incompatibilities due to too modern of hardware, but they go out of their way to try .. sometimes for the most trivial of reasons. If you wanna use XP that bad, get an older computer or put it in a virtual machine or something. Don't ruin (or try to ruin) perfectly new and good hardware by putting such a dated OS on it. You couldn't even install Windows 2000 once dual cores and SATA came around, why would you expect to put something over 12 years old on a new machine today? If you don't like Windows 8, Windows 7 is perfectly fine and supported-- WHY all the way back to XP?

    I've actually seen posts on this forum like this: "I upgraded from 7 to 8, Windows 8 sucks, I'm going back to XP!" Why do people always want to default back to XP (skipping 7) when they are complaining about 8 (or even Vista at this point)?
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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    Of course you are correct --however I think the issue was about people HANGING ON to XP rather than installing XP brand new machines which is a totally different ballgame. Actually also once you get used to W8 a lot of features are far more convenient - for example I like the search --If I'm in the start screen and I want to run say Ms Word and I haven't pinned it to the desktop or task bar I can just type WO for example and Ms word will appear --and I can start it without having to scroll tiles or find it via a menu.

    There are some problems with the current version of W8 but not really so much as is often made out "in the literature". There is a learning curve and the whole application install process needs altering to avoid people having in some cases to do a lot of "Post install" tidying up but on the whole it's really not a bad OS.

    (I think Windows 8.1 will actually be a lot better than W8 in any case).

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    It's interesting to see that others like myself are faithful to "good old XP". I have 2 XP machines, one off-line, one I keep current. I'll be keeping these long after the end of life date. I've amassed quite a good collection of software and tools that run flawlessly on XP that don't require an internet connection to use or activate.

    I do have 2 other machines with Win 8 to carry on with the ever changing tech environments, but in my opinion, XP is still stronger and more powerful.
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    I can see XP being used for labs and such that have really old machines that won't work with 7, But they run the risk of in the future having a policy that requires the computers to be connected to the internet.

    For example one of the labs I work at has XP machines connected to big lab equipment. Their IT plan mainly involves a very restrictive firewall. Problem is, they're attempting to modernize their databases so now the computers need to be connected to an internet-facing server.
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