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Windows XP diehards: Can you survive April 2014 deadline?

  1. #11


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuturDreamz View Post
    I can see XP being used for labs and such that have really old machines that won't work with 7, But they run the risk of in the future having a policy that requires the computers to be connected to the internet.

    For example one of the labs I work at has XP machines connected to big lab equipment. Their IT plan mainly involves a very restrictive firewall. Problem is, they're attempting to modernize their databases so now the computers need to be connected to an internet-facing server.
    Hi there
    Why would "Modernising their databases" require something like Lab computers to be connected to the Internet -- I just don't see what the connection is here -- these machines can be run "Stand alone" or even as Virtual Machines.

    I would surmise you've got somebody in I.T services telling you big "Porkies" (or trying to flog you something). - Outsourced Contractors / services perhaps !!!

    What on earth would the Internet have to do with some Machine tool equipment designed before the Internet was even THOUGHT OF !!!. Honestly some I.T guys seem to get away with Blue Murder. I must admit though I had a huge laugh when I read your post about "Modernising their Databases". !! A database surely only has DATA in it --if they need to audit and validate computer hardware and software there are all sorts of ways of doing it - you don't need to have an Internet connection -- and with the case of these legacy systems there shouldn't be any more licensing problems either.

    I'll do your "Database update" for a lot cheaper than your current supplier and a lot quicker too if you like.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #12


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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit, Ubuntu 13.04 64-Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Gaspode View Post
    It's interesting to see that others like myself are faithful to "good old XP". I have 2 XP machines, one off-line, one I keep current. I'll be keeping these long after the end of life date. I've amassed quite a good collection of software and tools that run flawlessly on XP that don't require an internet connection to use or activate.

    I do have 2 other machines with Win 8 to carry on with the ever changing tech environments, but in my opinion, XP is still stronger and more powerful.
    How on earth is XP stronger and more powerful than Windows 7 (or even 8 for that matter, UI issues aside)? Explain how an OS that cannot efficiently use multicores, cannot use more than 3GB of RAM, has inferior graphics and audio technology, lacks any form or desktop-level gpu acceleration, much inferior security, lacks support for modern hardware standards (AHCI/SATA, SSD TRIM, DirectX10/11, UEFI BIOS, native WIFI, USB 3.0, etc) past about 2006 and even lacking simple features such as winkey+search is somehow more powerful than 7 or 8? ESPECIALLY 7.

    And don't even mention 'oh it boots faster'. Of course it'll boot faster, it was made back when 20-40gb PATA HDDs were standard. Windows XP's install size was obviously much smaller, also with computers only having single core processors and 256mb of RAM (512 if you were lucky), and barely any graphics acceleration capability. Though, this is only when you freshly install it! After a week, XP takes longer to boot than 7. IT also still manages to take way longer to install than it does to install Windows 7 and degrades 10x as fast, requiring bi-yearly reinstalls of the OS to keep it performing adequately. It's very clunky and it doesn't belong on *any* hardware past late 2009 outside of a virtual machine unless it's necessary to stay in line with business requirements (which isn't my point here, it's about end-users doing this on normal home computers). On top of everything else, Windows XP looks like a kids toy, while Windows 7 out of the box looks elegant and beautiful, far more professional. Don't even mention switching to that butt-ugly windows 95 look either.

    Tell me one thing that makes XP more powerful than 7 on a modern computer.
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  3. #13


    What support ? Apart from installing service packs I never updated any of my XP installations and with proper care and good AV it-s still runing on 2 of my my older machines even them being connected to internet. No security updates, nothing else except drivers. So why should they be at risk now. One of them is the same install on a computer since 2001 and there's nothing wrong with it. That computer is just too old to run anything else.
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  4. #14


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    I can understand businesses continuing to use it, and that is perfectly fine. Also, if you have an old computer, sure whatever. However! There are regular home users of computers who will buy a computer with a core i7 processor, 8gb of RAM, and SSD for gaming or other intensive stuff and will GUT windows 7 off the machine and replace it with windows XP because they are so stubborn not to ever use anything newer than XP.

    Why would you EVER replace windows 7 with windows XP on any decent modern machine? -_- You can't use most of the RAM, you can't use the i7 nearly efficiently, and the SSD? You'd be killing it fast without native TRIM support and nevermind the fact you'd be running it in IDE instead of AHCI. There's plenty of people who sacrifice most of their hardware capabilities (and nevermind their money's worth) being so in love with XP they can't possible move on. These kind of luddites are the most irritating.

    There are people who CAN'T install XP properly on some machines because some drivers don't exist for it or other incompatibilities due to too modern of hardware, but they go out of their way to try .. sometimes for the most trivial of reasons. If you wanna use XP that bad, get an older computer or put it in a virtual machine or something. Don't ruin (or try to ruin) perfectly new and good hardware by putting such a dated OS on it. You couldn't even install Windows 2000 once dual cores and SATA came around, why would you expect to put something over 12 years old on a new machine today? If you don't like Windows 8, Windows 7 is perfectly fine and supported-- WHY all the way back to XP?

    I've actually seen posts on this forum like this: "I upgraded from 7 to 8, Windows 8 sucks, I'm going back to XP!" Why do people always want to default back to XP (skipping 7) when they are complaining about 8 (or even Vista at this point)?
    Nice post

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  5. #15


    Ah, those were probably the same kind of people that did not want to switch from 3.1 to W95, from 95 to 98, from 98 to Millennium,from Millennium to XP etc. I know some people that are still more comfortable with command interface than with the mouse. Some are just too lazy-brained to learn something new. It is possible to make XP run on newer HW but it takes much more knowledge and effort than just to switch to appropriate OS.
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  6. #16


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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Ah, those were probably the same kind of people that did not want to switch from 3.1 to W95, from 95 to 98, from 98 to Millennium,from Millennium to XP etc. I know some people that are still more comfortable with command interface than with the mouse. Some are just too lazy-brained to learn something new. It is possible to make XP run on newer HW but it takes much more knowledge and effort than just to switch to appropriate OS.
    Yeah why go through all that effort to run an OS that won't even properly use your hardware?
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  7. #17


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Older machines still support XP but newer ones, most ones that came preinstalled with Win7 and more than almost all of them (you read this right) with Win8 don't support XP.
    So going from 7 or 8 back to XP natively is mostly just talk: modern machines don't support XP to be installed at boot. Whether you use UEFI (no chance with XP) or not, XP will not support the newer PC because of missing drivers and hardware support.

    To simplify things, there is a very big chance the XP will produce a blue screen right when using the install CD. I've seen this on my own laptops.
    This explains the "not recommended" saying of the experts and they are right.

    Going back to XP still can be done but 7 or 8 will need to be kept.
    The emulation or virtualization will still support XP (using Hyper-V, VMware, VirtualBox, Parallells and others).
    And if you isolate (I've seen this in a preceding post) the OS from the internet because no more security updates are released, it will still function fine supporting old but useful programs but not the newer ones.
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  8. #18


    Might as well go to toy-like Linux if you are just going to sit and look at it. Know too many people that don't even know what do they need an I7 or FX 3850 for, but still just have to have it. So they don't even know what they are missing and I have to squeeze every cent just to have something half-decent to work on. Bet anybody that Word will not run any faster on their then on my computer.
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  9. #19


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Might as well go to toy-like Linux if you are just going to sit and look at it. Know too many people that don't even know what do they need an I7 or FX 3850 for, but still just have to have it. So they don't even know what they are missing and I have to squeeze every cent just to have something half-decent to work on. Bet anybody that Word will not run any faster on their then on my computer.
    True.
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  10. #20


    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    On top of everything else, Windows XP looks like a kids toy
    Hehehehe, kinda reminds me of Windows 8.

    -jeff
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