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Windows 8 earns a second chance in enterprise after change

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    Boot direct to desktop should be fine -- I still though have HUGE reservations about the ungodly mess that's created when you INSTALL standard large windows desktop apps -- unless this is fixed you still get wretched tiles generated for every executable (.exe) file whether or not it's the main executable which makes tidying up a real pain and probably almost impossible for some non technical users.

    Pinning to the DESKTOP requires a bit of trickery too -- you need to go via the Start (Metro interface) and point to OPEN FILE LOCATION and THEN you can send to desktop. IMO it would be better to be able to send an application (or copy) to the desktop from the quick launch taskbar. That facility was removed in W8.

    I can't really say I need a Menu - but I do need the whole non metro application install process to be tidied up.

    If you need a menu it's easy to create quite a flexible scheme by using custom toolbars - screenshot below - and by booting directly to the desktop W8 should be a lot more user friendly for desktop type users.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    That would be one of my biggest beefs with the Metro Start Screen. That and the PITA it is to rearrange the tiles every time you install something. I now dread ever having to do a clean install on my laptop. The install part is easy, its all the clean up you have to do after that's a PITA.

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  2. #12


    Hafnarfjörđur IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    It does appear that the whole install classical Windows apps dog dinner of a mess will be more or less solved in the windows 8.1 release. If so I for one will be really glad as will 100,000's of other desktop users. (By Desktop users I mean anybody running "Classical Windows apps" whether on a laptop or a fixed workstation).

    Apparently it will create a SINGLE tile which you can then expand / or re-arrange at will --not 100% perfect but livable with and INFINITELY better than the current Dogs dinner of a mess.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. #13


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    Let's see... boot to desktop....start button that brings you right back to tifkam...???

    Seriously....??? Do they really expect anyone to be fooled by such a pathetic slight of hand...???
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  4. #14


    Hafnarfjörđur IS
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    Hi there
    The start button IMO is an irrelevance but the other features actually make looking at W8 worth while again -- Boot straight to the desktop will remove 99% of the irritation desktop / classical windows apps users have by currently by being presented with the stupid "Kiddy Interface" and by fixing the install stuff means that one can re-arrange apps properly without needing a doctorate in Computers to be able to do it.

    I don't want W8 to look EXACTLY like W7 --if it does then what's the point of it anyway. This upgrade changes it enough while still maintaining a lot of the proper desktop usability.

    With re-sizeable Metro screens and a proper working for multi-monitor usage some of these Metro apps might just conceivably become useful while also being able to run concurrent standard Desktop sessions.

    My biggest gripes were only FULL SCREEN for metro which made the whole Metro thing totally USELESS for anybody who essentially had to spend most of their time on Classical Windows applications and the Endless scrolling if you installed a lot of large applications which had many .EXE files in them. Seems Ms has fixed this quite decently.

    A menu is also an irritation once you get to several levels deep and also involves scrolling too so I don't moan the loss of the menu -- and you can re-instate a sort of menu system anyway with custom tool bars as I've shown previously --WITHOUT needing 3rd party apps either.

    I'm actually looking forward to the upgrade -- W8 could morph into a fairly decent product.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #15


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    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    The start button IMO is an irrelevance but the other features actually make looking at W8 worth while again -- Boot straight to the desktop will remove 99% of the irritation desktop / classical windows apps users have by currently by being presented with the stupid "Kiddy Interface" and by fixing the install stuff means that one can re-arrange apps properly without needing a doctorate in Computers to be able to do it.

    I don't want W8 to look EXACTLY like W7 --if it does then what's the point of it anyway. This upgrade changes it enough while still maintaining a lot of the proper desktop usability.

    With re-sizeable Metro screens and a proper working for multi-monitor usage some of these Metro apps might just conceivably become useful while also being able to run concurrent standard Desktop sessions.

    My biggest gripes were only FULL SCREEN for metro which made the whole Metro thing totally USELESS for anybody who essentially had to spend most of their time on Classical Windows applications and the Endless scrolling if you installed a lot of large applications which had many .EXE files in them. Seems Ms has fixed this quite decently.

    A menu is also an irritation once you get to several levels deep and also involves scrolling too so I don't moan the loss of the menu -- and you can re-instate a sort of menu system anyway with custom tool bars as I've shown previously --WITHOUT needing 3rd party apps either.

    I'm actually looking forward to the upgrade -- W8 could morph into a fairly decent product.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    The missing classic start menu isn't that big a deal for me personally. Like you the Metro, one screen only, full screen only, limitation was a big turn off for me.
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  6. #16


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    Boot direct to desktop should be fine -- I still though have HUGE reservations about the ungodly mess that's created when you INSTALL standard large windows desktop apps -- unless this is fixed you still get wretched tiles generated for every executable (.exe) file whether or not it's the main executable which makes tidying up a real pain and probably almost impossible for some non technical users.

    Pinning to the DESKTOP requires a bit of trickery too -- you need to go via the Start (Metro interface) and point to OPEN FILE LOCATION and THEN you can send to desktop. IMO it would be better to be able to send an application (or copy) to the desktop from the quick launch taskbar. That facility was removed in W8.

    I can't really say I need a Menu - but I do need the whole non metro application install process to be tidied up.

    If you need a menu it's easy to create quite a flexible scheme by using custom toolbars - screenshot below - and by booting directly to the desktop W8 should be a lot more user friendly for desktop type users.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I don't use Windows xp.

    Worse thing than having tiles appear when you install a program is having to tediously navigate flyout menus.
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  7. #17


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post

    Apparently it will create a SINGLE tile which you can then expand / or re-arrange at will --not 100% perfect but livable with and INFINITELY better than the current Dogs dinner of a mess.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Link to this? I haven't read anywhere saying such.
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