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Continuing the Windows 8 vision with Windows 8.1

  1. #41


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    It works both ways for the extremists.. There are some that will flame you for any negative comment about Windows 8 and there are those that will go to great lengths to belittle anything positive you might say. There is also some honest criticism posted about issues that may affect one user but not another. There has been some cleanup and banning of members that took it too far. I try to not let it get to me, but nobodies perfect. Consequently I spend less and less time here and hang out more on the Windows 7 forums.
    It's not that I am not accepting of people who don't like windows 8. Trust me, I would be the first to support their right to choose. We live in a world of choice. And it's a good thing that we have choices.

    But some people exaggerate about their displeasure with windows 8. For example, people continue to talk like there is absolutely no desktop whatsoever.

    And then there are those who really hate the metro interface. Here's the thing. There are a couple simple steps they can take that will make the metro interface disappear forever and ever. But no, they won't do this. They will keep trolling the forums exaggerating how much they hate the metro.

    What's that saying with how zeus helps those who help themselves?

    It's annoying reading the troll posts. Yes, I know I can ignore them. But I've always had a thing for people who exaggerate their negative impressions.

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  2. #42


    Ohio
    Posts : 473
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Simply because in my circle, people would ask me. Few if any in my circle would be tablet users, so we are talking desktop users... and I could not, in good conscience recommend something that I find inferior. In each case, I would recommend win8 in conjunction with 'classic shell'.
    That'sa very reasonable answer. In your situation I can understand where you arecoming from.
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  3. #43


    Looks like some of the fears about using multiple apps will be alleviated. Judging by what MS admitted to :
    Microsoft officially provides screenshots and details on Windows 8.1 - MajorGeeks
    I can just hope that MS realizes that large part of the world will not be able to by apps thru the store due to the lack of ability to pay for them with credit cards etc. For me, in Serbia, at least for now I would have to jump thru the hoops to pay like that, even with PayPall. so it would not be worth the trouble.
    The part I like the most is ability to scale tiles for non-metro apps because I have so many programs installed it covers at leas 3 screens and have to scroll a lot to get to them.
    Being able to get to the settings easier will be a boon to people trying to help somebody over the phone, for now to do that my phone's battery goes flat just to explain how to get to a particular setting.
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  4. #44


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    It works both ways for the extremists.. There are some that will flame you for any negative comment about Windows 8 and there are those that will go to great lengths to belittle anything positive you might say. There is also some honest criticism posted about issues that may affect one user but not another. There has been some cleanup and banning of members that took it too far. I try to not let it get to me, but nobodies perfect. Consequently I spend less and less time here and hang out more on the Windows 7 forums.
    It's not that I am not accepting of people who don't like windows 8. Trust me, I would be the first to support their right to choose. We live in a world of choice. And it's a good thing that we have choices.

    But some people exaggerate about their displeasure with windows 8. For example, people continue to talk like there is absolutely no desktop whatsoever.

    And then there are those who really hate the metro interface. Here's the thing. There are a couple simple steps they can take that will make the metro interface disappear forever and ever. But no, they won't do this. They will keep trolling the forums exaggerating how much they hate the metro.

    What's that saying with how zeus helps those who help themselves?

    It's annoying reading the troll posts. Yes, I know I can ignore them. But I've always had a thing for people who exaggerate their negative impressions.
    I totally agree, I was just pointing out that its not just the haters doing it. There are one or two that I swear are being paid by Microsoft or work for Microsoft that are here just to spin Windows 8 into the greatest thing since sliced bread. They'd have you believe the BSOD is a bonus feature.
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  5. #45


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post

    I totally agree, I was just pointing out that its not just the haters doing it. There are one or two that I swear are being paid by Microsoft or work for Microsoft that are here just to spin Windows 8 into the greatest thing since sliced bread. They'd have you believe the BSOD is a bonus feature.
    You mean the BSOD isn't a bonus features? If it's not a special bonus feature, how come Bill Gates personally presented it live on CNN?
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  6. #46


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post

    I totally agree, I was just pointing out that its not just the haters doing it. There are one or two that I swear are being paid by Microsoft or work for Microsoft that are here just to spin Windows 8 into the greatest thing since sliced bread. They'd have you believe the BSOD is a bonus feature.
    You mean the BSOD isn't a bonus features? If it's not a special bonus feature, how come Bill Gates personally presented it live on CNN?
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  7. #47


    I'm onboard the MS train, one way or another. As an accountant, I have to use Excel and I think it is a wonderful, excellent product that is indispensable and without peer.

    I don't have that much criticism of W7. There are some weird quirks I notice or options that are missing that seem obvious to have but nothing that rouses my passion. I liked the OS but I was a silent fan. I never went onboard message boards to espouse my love for W7 or my hatred. I thought it was solid and often wondered to myself what MS could possibly do that would materially improve on W7.

    Windows 8 comes along and implements a start screen which, if my short term memory were a chalk board, effectively wipes the board with an eraser and maybe even water and a sponge, as I was tasked to do in elementary school. That, to me, is a deal breaker. Every other improvement is of no consequence when the OS effectively wipes out my focus at the press of a button. Having the Metro apps front and center was important in attracting developer support. MS thought this was more important than giving the end user an option as to the Start interface. They were not confident on the adoption of the Start interface on its own merits and thus, the option removed.

    Mouse drivers are inconsistent. My version of Synaptics doesn't over the option to disable the side swipe on the mouse pad that triggered the charm bar. I don't know how many times my palm triggered the charm thing, drove me absolute bonkers and I cursed MS every time it happened.

    Touch will be hard pressed to be as efficient as a mouse in a lot of scenarios, especially OS navigation. Why? I can adjust the sensitivity of my mouse. 1" movement can equate 6" on the screen or any other reasonable ratio. Back, forward, left and right wheel click, scrolling, wheel button, all right in the palm of my hand. I can even assign macros to every key with autohotkey. Touch screens, it will be 1:1 movement no matter what. It looks to be superior in 3D manipulations though but I haven't gotten to the point where I'm manipulating Excel cells in 3D space.

    So all the above was enough to incite an almost primal rage against MS. It was almost personal in nature, I felt like I was being manhandled and forced into it. Google, Android by association, MS, Adobe, Facebook, all appear to be pushing consumers towards this connected, cloud based ecosystem where we are reliant on systems maintained by the company. Look at Xbox One for crying out loud. Look at the direction they want to move.

    So please forgive me if I complain and criticize MS. I will either be forced to abandon MS in the future if they continue in this direction or be like one of those old dinosaurs clinging to XP, but with Windows 7. I don't envy MSs position. They are between a rock and a hard place. It has gotten to the point where the hardware vastly outstrips the needs of most users and the marginal utility from new software decreasing by every version but this is simply the consequence of a mature market.

    On the plus side, any hardware I buy today that supports W7 will easily serve my needs till W7 EOL. My only computer at home is an old 2.0Ghz Core 2 Duo laptop purchased in 2009, snappier than the i5 Elitebook I was issued with Vista and corporate bloatware/McAffee/keylogger by a long shot.
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  8. #48


    South Coast NSW, Australia
    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    I'm not all that impressed with, and couldn't care less about most of their 'improvements' to Metro
    as I only use it occasionally. I have no interest in any touch-based changes, because I'll never
    use it.

    But I had hoped that there would be something in this for desktop users.

    Apparently not though, all I can discover is that they appear to have ruined File Explorer.

    It's looking less and less likely that it'll be worthwhile upgrading from 8, as I really have no
    desire to not only have to fix everything I didn't like about 8 again, but even more besides.

    Wenda.

    EDIT: I'd be willing to bet that an upgrade install would destroy any and all start menu
    or start screen customisation that happens to be present.
    Last edited by Wenda; 01 Jun 2013 at 09:35.
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  9. #49


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I have to comment on something personally, nope, not being paid by Microsoft and nope, Windows 8 and certain related things aren't as great as I want it to be; just get me started on Xbox Music and Video apps, potentially constricted WinRT development, and Windows Phone 7 marketing among other things. Windows 8.1 is almost LITERALLY Microsoft making Windows 8.1 my idea since some of the things in it like how there might not be a Start thumbnail, but a legit Start icon with the word Start as it was in Windows 8 DP. Using the Desktop background wallpaper was my idea.

    Baby tiles and giant tiles were not my idea. But a great idea they are!

    Windows 8.1 IS greater than sliced bread.
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  10. #50


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    I haven't run any of the leaked builds so I'm only going by what been written on the Internet. As near as I can tell they didn't do desktop users any favors other than the boot to desktop option. If anything they just moved more stuff to Metro. I haven't seen anything there to entice me to want to switch my desktop PC's from 7 to 8. On the other hand the improvements they made to Metro do sound like a step in the right direction. It will be good for those that do use Metro. I run 8 on my laptop and plan on updating it to 8.1 when it hits the store. Other than Slacker Radio and some games I don't run too many Metro Apps. Even still, I welcome any changes to the Metro Start Screen that will make it easier to organize the tiles and get more of them on the screen. The small tiles should be great for stuff like Microsoft Office where all you need is an icon to tell what it is. I love Windows 7, Windows 8, not so much. I've warmed up to it a bit but IMHO it still has a long way to go to be an all around multi device OS. I'm not sure Microsoft has that intent so desktop PC users could end up being left out of the loop. To be honest even with a touch pad the gestures aren't all that much fun. I'm a little disappointed in Microsoft right now but I won't be abandoning ship any time soon. Windows 7 will be supported for years to come and who knows, maybe some of the improvements from 8 will make it into 7 with a SP or 2.
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