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  1. #71


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    No.. It goes deeper than that, and I do not just interact with people who have problems. I attend conferences with other IT professionals, I spend a lot of time with users, the geek in me hangs out fairly often in computer stores, and I am pretty much the go to person among my friends and family if they have a tech related question. I have not talked with anyone yet who thinks the start screen is better than the start menu that preceded it. It isn't, and I will tell you why later in the post. If you feel I am wrong, refute my on a point by point basis. I can see, that with touch, it would provide some above and beyond functionality that would merit it (AS AN OPTION). Even still, it is poorly executed, and lacks basic functions that would have made it that much more user friendly.

    This is why it is hard to swallow, and if you honestly think more people like it than not, based on what you are seeing in these forums alone, than you are really out of touch with reality and need to spend less time in this forum, and more time reading the news, reviews, and talking to the general user base.

    1) Start Screen lacks basic organizational features. Like it or not it just does. Basic things like folder, or grouping tools, are utterly lacking. This means, that every .exe that used to load into the previous folder structure on start menu, now gets it's own icon on the windows 8 start screen. What you get is a flat, stupid, smattering of icons stretching out to the left. Woo hoo. Each icon that is not a Windows 8 app, is a box with a tiny icon in the corner of it. These are not intuitive to find by looking. They just are not. And once you load about 15 apps, including things like Adobe creative suite, Visual Studio, etc, you will have damn close to a hundred of these stupid icons. It renders the entire concept useless, unless you are someone who is willing to spend a goodly portion of time maintaining it. I am not, so mine looks like a horrah's nest.

    2) No widgets. Yep, no widgets. What you see is what you get, a bunch of icons. Here is nothing less than just another example of a missed opportunity. If you are going to devote an entire page to start, why not make it more palatable by adding some additional functionality to it. IE, I click it an I can see running programs, a list of upcoming appts, cpu useage in a graphically pleasing way, avail ram, etc. etc..

    3) Very little room for customization. Yep, contrary to what all those commercials say, I think the Start Screen is really un-customize-able. We are stuck using their backgrounds, their colors, and their icon format etc, unless we want to install 3rd party apps, which are kind of crappy.

    4) It is difficult to find things. This is a carry over from the other complaints, but it is true. Of course, yes, I can type what I am looking for with the keyboard, but I could do that before as well. This is now what I most often do, cuz I would be lost without it. Seeing your apps laid out in alphabetical order, in neat folders, is a thing of the past, and it shouldn't be.

    This is all I am going to type for now. I interact with IT people and users alike. I have lots of friends, and am known among them as someone to go to with tech questions. To argue that I live in bubble of win8 haters, and there-fore am bias, is wrong. I was a huge supporter of Win 7 as a beta user right from the get go. I also liked the graphical improvements of Vista, though from a performance perspective, I hated it at first (legitimate gripe). Still, I ran both OS's right away even before they were released, which is something I have done with Win8 as well. There are some things to like about Win8, but the lack of choice is not one of them. The start screen is not better, and telling me that I can install 3rd party apps to get this functionality back, is a bs argument. I have used them. I prefer to not run 3rd party apps that alter the ui. It is a shame, that we are forced to do this, and I am forced to install these apps on friends computers to make them happy again. I don't generally like adding startup apps if I can avoid it, so in fixing a friend's computer, I now get to feel like I am kind of breaking it at the same time. Thanks a lot MS... Just a shame all around.
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  2. #72


    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Obviously those those of you that work I.T. run into and know more people that used computers than most of us that are not professionals. I sincerely listen to that, but as a member of this forum I've noticed in the forum surveys that more members than not like and use Windows 8. Of course, we are a designated group here, not the general public.
    Not necessarily so. Those who work in IT run into (you guessed it) people who have problems with their PC's. Why would you go to an IT processional if you didn't have any problem? Hello? Yes, hi, I just want to tell you guys that I have no problem at all with my PC. Just wanted to waste your time so you can't help the guy that really has a problem.

    And even then, from my experience most of the problems with computers are caused by what's between the keyboard and the chair. Back in my IT days, I had people calling in infuriated that the printer didn't show up in the printer list even though I installed it for them the day before. I had to calmly tell them to scroll the printer list down to find that printer. Obviously, I got a bad review from that because people almost always don't want to admit they're idiots.

    Anyway, I'm just sayin'. Going off of the opinions of people who regularly like to interact with IT people isn't exactly the best way to get the general public's opinion on these things. Usually, they like to whine more than anything else. Between whining and getting things fixed and done, they will choose whine.
    Lol! " The problem lies between the keyboard on the chair". Lol! Hey! That's me!

    Seriously, though, they're talking about the new GUI and menu system. Indeed a big change. I'm not professional I.T., but use a computer professionally. It so happens I'm a computer enthusiast also. That's why I'm a member here.

    A little personal story about Friday afternoon. We had just got done replacing the big picture window in a woman's living room. My buddy is finishing the outside and I'm trimming the inside. She's using the computer 10 feet away. I asked her what operating system she had. She said she wasn't sure. I smiled and asked her if I could show her how to find out. "Sure." I knew it wasn't 8 for it had start orb. I opened the menu to get to Control Panel, then to System. She had 7 Home Premium.

    I asked if she knew or heard anything about Windows 8. "No, but I heard a little about it". I said it's quite different. They introduced a new UI, menu system, and a MS Store with apps. I proceeded to open up the Windows 8 site. I told her about the new Start Screen verses the Start Menu. I told her about the tiles, live tiles, naming groups, personalizing it, etc. I told her little bit about the apps and the store. Her comment > "What's not to like about that?! I would use that!" (Exclamation points are not exaggerated)

    Now, Obviously she doesn't know much about computers or the industry, but knows how to navigate and use 7 somewhat. I asked her if she uses the menu. "No. I put icons on the desktop." I noticed there was a ton of them. " I hardly use the menu."

    Take it for what it's worth, but it says something. Yes? No? Just a 5-minute experience of mine.
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  3. #73


    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    I like the idea of a windows store very much, though I have not found a whole lot of good apps within it to date. The start menu was just good to have, and based on the way she used her desktop, the start screen might wind up being redundant for her. To each there own, as the saying goes.
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  4. #74


    Posts : 474
    Win 8 (64) : Win 7 (64) : Vista (64) : Android JB 4.2 : iOS 6


    For me, the most usable tile on start screen is the desktop tile... where the classic shell button is. I know I can just boot directly to desktop, but it just makes my day to see that start screen and feel a little bit of hate.
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  5. #75


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Lol! " The problem lies between the keyboard on the chair". Lol! Hey! That's me!

    Seriously, though, they're talking about the new GUI and menu system. Indeed a big change. I'm not professional I.T., but use a computer professionally. It so happens I'm a computer enthusiast also. That's why I'm a member here.

    A little personal story about Friday afternoon. We had just got done replacing the big picture window in a woman's living room. My buddy is finishing the outside and I'm trimming the inside. She's using the computer 10 feet away. I asked her what operating system she had. She said she wasn't sure. I smiled and asked her if I could show her how to find out. "Sure." I knew it wasn't 8 for it had start orb. I opened the menu to get to Control Panel, then to System. She had 7 Home Premium.

    I asked if she knew or heard anything about Windows 8. "No, but I heard a little about it". I said it's quite different. They introduced a new UI, menu system, and a MS Store with apps. I proceeded to open up the Windows 8 site. I told her about the new Start Screen verses the Start Menu. I told her about the tiles, live tiles, naming groups, personalizing it, etc. I told her little bit about the apps and the store. Her comment > "What's not to like about that?! I would use that!" (Exclamation points are not exaggerated)

    Now, Obviously she doesn't know much about computers or the industry, but knows how to navigate and use 7 somewhat. I asked her if she uses the menu. "No. I put icons on the desktop." I noticed there was a ton of them. " I hardly use the menu."

    Take it for what it's worth, but it says something. Yes? No? Just a 5-minute experience of mine.
    Despite us having an IT department, I'm still the go-to guy when people have problems or they want something new about their PC's. Honestly, most people don't care about the start menu or the damn start button. Most people just have tons of icons on their desktop. One of the phd guys' desktop is completely filled with icons. Last time I helped him with his pc, it was for taking snapshots of his screen. I showed him in the start menu where to find the snipping app, and he was like "hold on, what's that?" He honest to god didn't know what the start menu was for.

    That's why I keep saying on here most people don't care about the UI change. And they certainly never cared about the start menu. Only a hand full of people actually care either way about it.
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  6. #76


    Posts : 2,627
    win8.1.1 enterprise


    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Lol! " The problem lies between the keyboard on the chair". Lol! Hey! That's me!

    Seriously, though, they're talking about the new GUI and menu system. Indeed a big change. I'm not professional I.T., but use a computer professionally. It so happens I'm a computer enthusiast also. That's why I'm a member here.

    A little personal story about Friday afternoon. We had just got done replacing the big picture window in a woman's living room. My buddy is finishing the outside and I'm trimming the inside. She's using the computer 10 feet away. I asked her what operating system she had. She said she wasn't sure. I smiled and asked her if I could show her how to find out. "Sure." I knew it wasn't 8 for it had start orb. I opened the menu to get to Control Panel, then to System. She had 7 Home Premium.

    I asked if she knew or heard anything about Windows 8. "No, but I heard a little about it". I said it's quite different. They introduced a new UI, menu system, and a MS Store with apps. I proceeded to open up the Windows 8 site. I told her about the new Start Screen verses the Start Menu. I told her about the tiles, live tiles, naming groups, personalizing it, etc. I told her little bit about the apps and the store. Her comment > "What's not to like about that?! I would use that!" (Exclamation points are not exaggerated)

    Now, Obviously she doesn't know much about computers or the industry, but knows how to navigate and use 7 somewhat. I asked her if she uses the menu. "No. I put icons on the desktop." I noticed there was a ton of them. " I hardly use the menu."

    Take it for what it's worth, but it says something. Yes? No? Just a 5-minute experience of mine.
    Despite us having an IT department, I'm still the go-to guy when people have problems or they want something new about their PC's. Honestly, most people don't care about the start menu or the damn start button. Most people just have tons of icons on their desktop. One of the phd guys' desktop is completely filled with icons. Last time I helped him with his pc, it was for taking snapshots of his screen. I showed him in the start menu where to find the snipping app, and he was like "hold on, what's that?" He honest to god didn't know what the start menu was for.

    That's why I keep saying on here most people don't care about the UI change. And they certainly never cared about the start menu. Only a hand full of people actually care either way about it.
    have to agree 100%, i work on other peoples computers ,family and former customers ,and they don't even know how to use file manager ,the desktop is full of icons and Folders full of files ,i have on here right now like that and its from a Church Office ,very important files stored in folders all over the desktop ,
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  7. #77


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    That's why I keep saying on here most people don't care about the UI change. And they certainly never cared about the start menu. Only a hand full of people actually care either way about it.
    Shame you didn't tell MS about that earlier. You could have saved them some work.

    Oh well, MS will live and learn.
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  8. #78


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    That's why I keep saying on here most people don't care about the UI change. And they certainly never cared about the start menu. Only a hand full of people actually care either way about it.
    Shame you didn't tell MS about that earlier. You could have saved them some work.

    Oh well, MS will live and learn.
    I've no doubt that MS isn't nave. They know all these things. They know that most people will use whatever system that was preinstalled on their new laptop or PC. They also know that a small number of people don't like the UI change and are wreaking havoc like they always do with anything.

    I'm actually guilty of this mentality. When I like something or indifferent about it, I don't write a review at all. I'm more likely to write a review if I don't like it. This is how most people operate. Multiply this by 100 million and we have the misconception that most people hate windows 8.
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  9. #79


    Manchester CT
    Posts : 693
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 bit GA


    Pre-beta Windows 8.1 WinRT Developer APIs

    Now here is a list of interesting new additions to Win8 from Blue and not one of them looks like it will add anything to the desktop. Smartphones, yes, desktop, no.
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  10. #80


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    It's all about apps, which is no surprise. I think we can see where this is heading.
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