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  1. #11


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    Tami is doing no. 1)

    "We have heard that, we definitely have heard that and taken that into account," she said, before adding: "We've really also tried to understand what people are really asking for when they're asking for that"
    Same as

    1) Now we have had the chance to hear the customers, we are trying to figure out how to give them what they want.


    She is certainly not going to broadcast no. 2).

    2) We always knew what the customers wanted, but we thought we could force something else on them.

    That would be fatal.

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  2. #12


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Tami is doing no. 1)

    "We have heard that, we definitely have heard that and taken that into account," she said, before adding: "We've really also tried to understand what people are really asking for when they're asking for that"
    Same as

    1) Now we have had the chance to hear the customers, we are trying to figure out how to give them what they want.


    She is certainly not going to broadcast no. 2).

    2) We always knew what the customers wanted, but we thought we could force something else on them.

    That would be fatal.
    They already have said #2 by saying #1 they knew what users wanted before the release from there Beta testers.
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  3. #13


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    We've really also tried to understand what people are really asking for when they're asking for that"
    How thick can someone be? It's simple, let people have the option of a start button and boot to desktop once again. In how many languages does this have to be stated before it sinks in?
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  4. #14


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    Don't you mean start menu?

    Tami might get confused if people keep saying button.
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  5. #15


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    You are correct, it does seem far to easy for Microsoft to get confused and for Tami's benefit, this is what I would like returned:

    Click image for larger version

    See Tami? A start button (that round Windows logo on the bottom left) that when clicked, opens up a cascading menu of available programs. It was there for years and is now gone.
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  6. #16


    The Start Screen and All Apps is a much better idea and system.

    Post your Start Screen!
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  7. #17


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    Enough about the Start Button already! Use the one provided to access programs from either platform. That's what it's there for!
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  8. #18


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    I don't see her mentioning what MOST MS customers really want...

    The CHOICE to default boot to desktop.


    That even addresses the start button/menu issue.
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  9. #19


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    The Start Screen and All Apps is a much better idea and system.

    Post your Start Screen!
    For some people. It's your opinion and you're entitled to it but not everybody agrees with it. If everybody was fine with the Start screen they wouldn't be asking for the traditional Start menu.

    From what I've seen, it sounds like Microsoft is going to put the orb back on the taskbar but it will just bring up the Start screen when you click it. It will do what the windows key does now. How lame is that?
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  10. #20


    MS didn't make changes on a whim. They collected data on what users were using via the Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP), surveys, and product testing. Microsoft Customer Experience Improvement Program

    It is striking to see how dramatically different the use of the Start menu is in Windows Vista vs. Windows 7. Some of the Special Folders (what we call those items on the right side of the menu) dropped in use by over 50%. Likewise, people accessed pinned items on the Start menu half as often in Windows 7 than they did in Vista. People also access All Programs and the MFU far less often. Finally, we see an 11% drop in how often people are opening the Start menu at all. While 11% may seem like a small number at first, across our hundreds of millions of customers it is eye opening to see such a drop for a universally recognizable element of the Windows interface. We’re not talking about some hidden setting that is tweaked by a minority of people—we’re talking about a fundamental piece of Windows that people are using less and less.

    So why the change in how people are using the Start menu? Here’s a hint—it has something to do with that bar at the bottom of your screen that was introduced in Windows 7.

    The “Start bar”

    The evolution of the Windows taskbar directly impacted the Start menu. What once was locked behind a menu suddenly came closer to you. The most obvious advancements were the introduction of Quick Launch by Internet Explorer 4.0’s Windows Desktop Update in 1997, as well as the more recent taskbar pinning in Windows 7.

    Interesting side story: did you know that Quick Launch was initially disabled by default in Windows XP because some people believed the MFU list and pinning in the Start menu would suffice? We saw a volume of evidence to the contrary, and so we reversed the decision (though back then, the data upon which we based these decisions was limited, so we don't really know what a broad variety of customers were doing). What we took away from this was that it was important for you to be able to designate what apps you care about, see them all in one place, and have them be one click away, rather than trying to guess what is important through software heuristics or having important items mixed with less important items.

    To really bring this all home, let’s take a look at where people are pinning their apps. Figure 4 reveals that 85% of people have three or more items pinned to the taskbar compared to a mere 23% who have the same number pinned to the Start menu. Although the taskbar and Start menu have different pinned defaults, many people do customize both of them when they want to. The message is clear that the majority of people want most of their apps on the taskbar rather than having to dig into Start.
    Evolving the Start menu - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs
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