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  1. #131


    Toronto, Canada. Born in the U.K.
    Posts : 691
    Win 10 Pro + Win 7 Ult SP1 (x64)


    I guess my 6 OS's in a multi-boot here pale by comparison to that. ;-)

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  2. #132


    Posts : 3
    Windows 8


    I would just kill to be able to turn on my pc and my firewire audio interfaces and instantly have the working everytime. Without having to run in test mode &/or boot up using the unsigned driver / advanced boot mode everytime! Multiple times until it takes!!
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  3. #133


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
    I feel compelled to reproduce here what a friend of mine in the UK just posted on another forum in response to similar posts to what has been written in this thread, thanks Terry:

    The big difference is that all those things (Modern UI, no Start or proper mail client etc. etc. the list goes on) you mention are the playthings of youth compared to Windows which exists on 2 billion PCs, the vast majority of which are business, point-of-sale, end-of phone, day to day, real-world applications, vital to keeping the wheels of industry and commerce turning.
    When the Telecom engineer comes to my house and takes out the tools of his trade, alongside the cutters, strippers and screwdrivers is the modern sine-qua-non, the laptop. When he flips it open, it's not Chrome or Ubuntu that pops up, it's W7, and he wants it for one purpose, to run his diagnostics, not to look like his phone, which incidentally he uses to make calls, not play music or watch movies.

    Windows is an essential business tool, not just a youth social-networking interface. Sadly MS seems to have blinkered themselves to the latter and hence lost sight of the former.
    The business user wants his tools to be designed for purpose. That's why a direct boot to the desired environment is not just the whinging demand of grumpy old men.

    Imagine how annoyed you'd get if every time you got in your car and turned the key, Ford or GM decided in their wisdom that the way of the future was to ask you first if you'd like to select your entertainment choices for the journey before offering you a hidden option to start the engine.

    MS can unify their interfaces to their heart's content. I don't care. (I don't own a phone or a tablet, so it's of no relevance or interest to me)
    All I ask is that the one interface I do use, behaves in a way that fits the hardware and environment in which I use it.
    All of the deleted W7 features can easily be made non-default options in W8 so that it maintains the corporate unity which MS is determined on. The keyword being options. There's absolutely no good reason except arrogance to deny them to the serious user.

    So well said.
    Briliant! Says it all!
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  4. #134


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    What about when the Gas meter guy comes round. These people used to have hand held "Psion" like devices - now they just use a Tablet -- so there ARE some valid business applications for tablets.

    However I agree with the previous post (Ex_Brit above) -- In the Manchester (UK) apartment I've been renting while on contract in the UK I've had a Boiler repaired recently -- and what the Engineer does is use a standard computer (Ruggidized in some sort of Rubber Case with special screen protectors for use in "The field") with a couple of Crocodile clips / prods attached. After prodding around in the boiler the computer diagnoses the fault. -- I note though the computer the Engineer was using was still running XP BTW !!!.

    A "Consumer grade" tablet would last about 3 seconds in that type of use - just a few drops of Hot water with Boiler scale remover falling on to the tablet would kill it stone dead in a few micro secs flat.

    Actually I'd rather like one of those "ruggedized" computers -- apparently they were designed specially for the gas company - old IBM "Thinkpads" -- built like Battleships anyway -- we used to call those old IBM computers IBM ThinkTANKS !!.

    (Lenovo doesn't do a bad job but quality builds were definitely the old IBM's).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #135


    Victoria, BC, Canada
    Posts : 10
    Win8.1 Pro 64 bit


    I don't really know why there has been such an outcry about the start button, it may not be physically there, but if you just right-click the bottom left hand corner of your screen you'll find just about anything you could possibly need is there.
    People really need to read manuals or look up what they need to know before installing ANYTHING!!! And definitely before ranting about a program. Win 8 does need improvement, (boot to desktop for PC -as most of us PC gamers will probably never use touch on our desktops), but all in all I like it. (and I have used every instance of Windows since 3.1 -didn't like, went back to DOS until they got it right - Win 98 SE - though I did try 95 and the first 98) and have moved to each new instance with very few problems.
    I guess some people just don't like change.
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  6. #136


    Posts : 902
    Win8.1 Pro, Desktop Mode


    Quote Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
    I feel compelled to reproduce here what a friend of mine in the UK just posted on another forum in response to similar posts to what has been written in this thread, thanks Terry:

    The big difference is that all those things (Modern UI, no Start or proper mail client etc. etc. the list goes on) you mention are the playthings of youth compared to Windows which exists on 2 billion PCs, the vast majority of which are business, point-of-sale, end-of phone, day to day, real-world applications, vital to keeping the wheels of industry and commerce turning.
    When the Telecom engineer comes to my house and takes out the tools of his trade, alongside the cutters, strippers and screwdrivers is the modern sine-qua-non, the laptop. When he flips it open, it's not Chrome or Ubuntu that pops up, it's W7, and he wants it for one purpose, to run his diagnostics, not to look like his phone, which incidentally he uses to make calls, not play music or watch movies.

    Windows is an essential business tool, not just a youth social-networking interface. Sadly MS seems to have blinkered themselves to the latter and hence lost sight of the former.
    The business user wants his tools to be designed for purpose. That's why a direct boot to the desired environment is not just the whinging demand of grumpy old men.

    Imagine how annoyed you'd get if every time you got in your car and turned the key, Ford or GM decided in their wisdom that the way of the future was to ask you first if you'd like to select your entertainment choices for the journey before offering you a hidden option to start the engine.

    MS can unify their interfaces to their heart's content. I don't care. (I don't own a phone or a tablet, so it's of no relevance or interest to me)
    All I ask is that the one interface I do use, behaves in a way that fits the hardware and environment in which I use it.
    All of the deleted W7 features can easily be made non-default options in W8 so that it maintains the corporate unity which MS is determined on. The keyword being options. There's absolutely no good reason except arrogance to deny them to the serious user.

    So well said.
    What I don't understand, is how the proponents of tifkam can take such umbrage at such a sentiment. It seems so obvious, to me...
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  7. #137


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    The outcry has been for the lack of a Traditional Start Menu, not Start Button. It's a play on words. In Windows 7 and earlier clicking the Orb (Start Button) would launch the Start Menu. In Windows 8 it takes you to the Start Screen. A fair number of desktop PC users would rather have the traditional start menu versus a start screen. Microsoft said hey we'll give you back your Start Button but guess what? It's not going to do what you think it will. They are listening, kind off, sort off.
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  8. #138


    South Coast NSW, Australia
    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Well, for me personally, the issue has never been with Windows 8 itself, although there are several aspects of it that I do dislike. But I simply worked around them, or used 3rd-party stuff. As I've done since Win 3.1

    No, my issue is, and always has been, the direction Windows 8 is heading.

    That's not my vision of computing, and I doubt it ever will be.


    Wenda.
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  9. #139


    Posts : 66
    Windows 8 Professional


    I disagree that the issue is with the Start Button or even the Start Menu.

    I think people associate the Desktop with the Start Button and that is what they are unhappy with. They want their Desktop back and they want it when they boot Windows. E.g. Avoiding Metro UI all together.

    However, Microsoft wants to be rid of the Desktop (explorer.exe) eventually. Without the Desktop, the Start Menu or Button is useless. In the meantime, the Desktop is running simultaneously with the Metro UI and sucking up resources. Thus, they are anxious to discard the Desktop asap.

    Personally, I'd prefer an interface option.. traditional Desktop or Metro UI.. but running as the same process. Currently, we're reliving the DOS beneath the Desktop UI days.
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  10. #140


    [QUOTE=jimbo45;243689]Hi there
    What about when the Gas meter guy comes round. These people used to have hand held "Psion" like devices - now they just use a Tablet -- so there ARE some valid business applications for tablets.[QUOTE]

    Gas meter guys still come around? Our gas and electric services are directly connected by computer, so they can read the meters from the central office and also tell if an outage occurs, etc. Oh, the wonders of electronics.......
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