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Windows 'Blue' will leave Microsoft customers seeing red

  1. #31


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    It's not windows 8 that's causing the drop in sales
    MS seem to think it is at least partly responsible, so do a lot of the oems - all of them in fact , I think., and a great many industry analysts. They are all wrong then, are they? It wouldn't be the first time.

    I might add that most people I know are using Macs. They never pay any attention to anything to do with windows. The few who have windows laptops are not looking to replace them, as far as I know.

    Obviously none of them care in the least about 8. If you insisted on showing it to them, they would be polite and feign a vague interest, I suppose, but they won't care really.

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  2. #32


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It's not windows 8 that's causing the drop in sales
    MS seem to think it is at least partly responsible, so do a lot of the oems - all of them in fact , I think., and a great many industry analysts. They are all wrong then, are they? It wouldn't be the first time.

    I might add that most people I know are using Macs. They never pay any attention to anything to do with windows. The few who have windows laptops are not looking to replace them, as far as I know.

    Obviously none of them care in the least about 8. If you insisted on showing it to them, they would be polite and feign a vague interest, I suppose, but they won't care really.
    Yes, I think it is at least partly responsible. My response was to the notion that windows 8 is all to be blamed for the drop in sales. Considering the fact that pc sales was already way down long before windows 8 came out, the notion that windows 8 is to blame for all of it is ridiculous.

    Here's what I think is going on.

    Most people have always used computing devices for basic tasks like web browsing and email. Perhaps a little document editing here and there, but nothing major. Only a small percentage of us actually use computing devices for more than just content consumption.

    So, when tablet devices came out, this was pretty much the answer to most people's prayers. They no longer have to lug around big heavy laptops if what they only want to do is consume for the most part. That's why PC sales took a nose dive when tablet devices like the ipad and android tablets were introduced. In fact, both the market and people's homes were saturated with iOS and android devices.

    For example, the last time I visited my sister, I rounded up all her tablet devices and took a picture. She and her husband have 3 kids. Their ages are 3, 6, and 8. All 5 members of the family have an asus transformer infinity TF700T. The sister and her husband also each have a galaxy tab 2 as well as galaxy s3 phones. Look at picture below.

    The devices you're seeing are this.

    ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity Tablet, 64GB, TF700TC1GR - Best Buy

    That's just the tablet part. Each keyboard docking station is about $150.

    The kids have been doing all the school work with those tablet/notebook hybrids. Pretty cool, I think. But the point is people like my sister's family have already invested in the ultra light weight android hybrids that have an app for just about everything you can imagine. With the amount of money they've invested in those devices, do you honestly see them jump ship to windows 8 if they don't have to?

    Everyone has a budget that they work with. When I say windows 8 is partially responsible, I don't mean there's something wrong with windows 8. In fact, I absolutely don't think there's anything wrong with windows 8 as it is. And most people are indifferent either way about the UI. The reason windows 8 is partially responsible for PC sales drop is because it came out too late. Most people have already spent their budget on android and iOS devices. They have already invested in those ecosystems. You can't ask them to just get up and switch ecosystems.

    I think it's always been inevitable that as soon as something ultra light weight came along most laptop owners will jump ship simply because most people don't create. They are perfectly happy consuming for the most part.

    So, all these arguments about a damn start button or menu is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Most people simply don't care about the UI change. What they care about is their budget. And they've already spent all of it on android and iOS tablets. And their windows 7 PC's work just fine. Why upgrade?

    My sister and her family is the typical American family. Husband is an engineer. She's a mathematician. The 3 boys play baseball, participate in boy scouts, and go to sleep overs. Their current setup is an i7 PC running windows 7 x64, an i7 laptop upstairs, 5 asus transformer infinities, 2 galaxy tabs for gps and ultra ultra light weight consumption devices, and android phones. Do you see anywhere in there that they can fit in windows 8 devices?

    That's why last year I started saying windows 8 will fail not because it is lacking but because it's simply too late to the game. People are not going to just spend more money on something they already have.
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  3. #33


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by EMINENT View Post
    I wish we could read news about 8 improvements instead of the whining by a few trolls that clearly have the choice to use whatever os they want, instead of complaining directly to MS on their site.

    No one cares. If you don't like it, leave! There is a 7 forum and MS site where trolls can whine in unison.
    When are you going to start posting good news about Window 8?
    That's not possible, there isn't any good news about Windows 8.
    Hence, why certain trolls like to stay here and trolololololololol......... Ugh.

    WE GET IT ALREADY!
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    No, you don't get it, it's quite evident from your, and other's, repeated posts as to why everyone else's point of view is wrong.
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  5. #35


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    Wow, how certain people seem to live under a rock...
    Report: Touchscreen Notebook Shipments Increased by 51.8% in Q1 2013

    The Desktop UI and desktop PC is a dead and dying breed. THIS IS A FACT. This isn't disputable. This isn't the year 2002 where the desktop is the mainstream center of everything. The world moved onto the mobile form factor. Look at laptop shipments, look at tablet shipments, look at Windows 8. The writing has been written on the wall forever and some just REFUSE to acknowledge its existence. Go ahead, you can deny Windows 8, but you can't deny the facts that the world isn't internet based or will forever and stay Desktop UI based anymore.

    Also on a side note, it is utter selfishness for some to think THEY are for some reason self-entitled to Windows 8, but it being Windows 7 because it's "proper." Has no one realize how absurd it is for some people to demand that Microsoft listen to THEIR demands over everyone else's, for features that are there in a related Microsoft product, to have newer features from a product THEY don't like to be in the same fashion as the old? Guess what, you don't like the product, no one here, myself, or Microsoft is going to make you think otherwise. If you don't like the product, why complain about it when there is another that works perfectly fine? Maybe it's this entitlement to "newer features?" Maybe it's a self righteousness that for some reason propels certain people to be snotty brats about something THEY will never use, or will ever care about? I really don't know.

    As someone else already posted, in the whole grand scheme of things, in the bigger picture, it bloody doesn't matter about a start menu or a Desktop UI interface. It bloody doesn't matter how much you can act out like a spoiled rotten little toddler, demands from some for keeping "tradition" doesn't matter. Tradition is tradition, it dies out for the new. That's what will happen. Don't like it? I don't care. Quite frankly, I highly doubt Microsoft cares if you're not even using the platform regularly.
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  6. #36


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    No, you don't get it, it's quite evident from your, and other's, repeated posts as to why everyone else's point of view is wrong.
    And yours I'm assuming, is right ALL the time about everything?
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  7. #37


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Wow, how certain people seem to live under a rock...
    Report: Touchscreen Notebook Shipments Increased by 51.8% in Q1 2013

    The Desktop UI and desktop PC is a dead and dying breed. THIS IS A FACT. This isn't disputable. .
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  8. #38


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    Goodintentions
    the notion that windows 8 is to blame for all of it is ridiculous
    I am not aware of anybody claiming that.

    There are undoubtedly some who might have bought a cheap lappie a few years back to do basic stuff. Now they can do that on tablet/phone instead. Very unlikely to be a windows tablet/phone.

    There isn't anybody disagreeing the pc market will not be as large as it once was.

    The difficulty is that of those who would still have bought a laptop over the past several months - quite a number have not done so - because of 8.

    Even MS acknowledge that.

    MS are not selling many tablets or phones. They are trying to leverage their existing user base - those 300m or so who they expected would be buying a laptop type thing - into their online services, and hopefully encourage them to buy a matching tablet/phone. That is why Metro is there.

    Perhaps these haswell things with lowered costs will save MS. Perhaps not.

    If so, then there are 3 big players carving up the users online service riches between them.

    If MS doesn't get a lifeline, that leaves an opening for everybody and his dog to try and get a piece of the action.

    Google look to be doing well hoovering up the users at the moment - Samsung may have their own ideas about that - we shall see.
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  9. #39


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Goodintentions
    the notion that windows 8 is to blame for all of it is ridiculous
    I am not aware of anybody claiming that.

    There are undoubtedly some who might have bought a cheap lappie a few years back to do basic stuff. Now they can do that on tablet/phone instead. Very unlikely to be a windows tablet/phone.

    There isn't anybody disagreeing the pc market will not be as large as it once was.

    The difficulty is that of those who would still have bought a laptop over the past several months - quite a number have not done so - because of 8.

    Even MS acknowledge that.

    Perhaps these haswell things with lowered costs will save MS. Perhaps not.

    If so, then there are 3 big players carving up the users online service riches between them.

    If MS doesn't get a lifeline, that leaves an opening for everybody and his dog to try and get a piece of the action.

    Google look to be doing well hoovering up the users at the moment - Samsung may have their own ideas about that - we shall see.
    So I'm guessing you're another analyst with another opinion that Windows 8 is the sole cause of lower PC shipments, even though touch laptop PC shipments accounted for 10 percent of those in a span of six months?
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  10. #40


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    Cokie
    Windows 8 is the sole cause of lower PC shipments
    That is the opposite of what I posted.

    No surprise coming from you.
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