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  1. #21


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    The start button is an intelligent way to access programs that are used often enough, but not sufficiently to warrant placement on the taskbar and provides a quick access mode that doesn't clutter the taskbar. It's an access methodology that doesn't require you to leave the desktop for a full screen mobile phone interface to access such programs. It's especially useful on smaller screen devices where the taskbar doesn't allow numerous icons, especially if you use the right hand side of the taskbar for information.

    It was in fact quite unnecessary for Microsoft to remove that feature aka fix something that wasn't broken. It's clear that many people feel this way, considering how many third party programs, to return the start button, have been downloaded/purchased. Why is it so difficult to understand that many people are annoyed at Microsoft for 'fixing' things when they didn't ask for it?

    Finally, don't believe for a moment that Microsoft won't/can't make a fundamental errors in judgement, they have done so in the past and are not immune from doing so in the present/future.

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  2. #22


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    Viewing through Windows 7, me like-a-discuss 8 though


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Finally, don't believe for a moment that Microsoft won't/can't make a fundamental errors in judgement, they have done so in the past and are not immune from doing so in the present/future.
    Maybe error of judging come from no listen to all many, many beta test souls. They no listen!!!!!
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  3. #23


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Well, they charge a yearly subscription for XboxLive and it doesn't seem like the entire world went with the PS3 for free services. If the price is right, I'm doubting a lot of people wouldn't just stay with Windows.

    Windows, when legally licensed on all computers, can get quite expensive. A reasonable subscription model allowing handfuls of machines might well be worth the cost of admission. Not to mention, the added benefit of keeping up with the newest versions without having to pay a big cost up front. Only time will tell.

    I think you are sort of on the right trail with your XboxLive ~ PS3 comparison. If people like something these days (last 30 yrs especially) they will pay the price. $150 gym shoes, $125 Nike shirt, $80 dropdown baggy pants, $300 sunglasses and a $600 purse for mom to carry the receipts home in. While they use the house forclosure notices for heating the home.

    If people want it, they will pay for it. Despite how much they feel betrayed by a missing start button and rotten All apps screen.
    People don't like change and the majority of Windows users couldn't handle a drastic change to another program.
    I tried running Ubuntu once on a new hdd to avoid buying XP. I didn't save my money for long.
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The start button is an intelligent way to access programs that are used often enough, but not sufficiently to warrant placement on the taskbar and provides a quick access mode that doesn't clutter the taskbar. It's an access methodology that doesn't require you to leave the desktop for a full screen mobile phone interface to access such programs. It's especially useful on smaller screen devices where the taskbar doesn't allow numerous icons, especially if you use the right hand side of the taskbar for information.


    It was in fact quite unnecessary for Microsoft to remove that feature aka fix something that wasn't broken. It's clear that many people feel this way, considering how many third party programs, to return the start button, have been downloaded/purchased. Why is it so difficult to understand that many people are annoyed at Microsoft for 'fixing' things when they didn't ask for it?

    Finally, don't believe for a moment that Microsoft won't/can't make a fundamental errors in judgement, they have done so in the past and are not immune from doing so in the present/future.
    All I was saying there are applications to fix the start button issue. As I said they make mistakes but the mistake of a subscription OS is even to big of a mistake for even them.
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  5. #25


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    I think the only thing that often locks people into Windows are the programs, not the OS. I would probably be running Linux full time if all my Windows programs had compatible versions, but many simply do not exist. However, for many people that isn't a problem, they don't need the programs that I use and can easily make do with what Linux offers.

    Apple is another option and, if they took a different approach towards their system/s, could find themselves on the ascent. Imagine offering OSX to OEMs once again? What have they got to lose? Then there is Chrome OS, a dark horse that should not be under-estimated in the least. In fact, Chrome OS could be the ultimate challenger to Microsoft's crown.

    While Microsoft alienates and buries it's traditional userbase, it opens the door to a whole new group of challengers.
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  6. #26


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    Quote Originally Posted by DMGrier View Post
    All I was saying there are applications to fix the start button issue. As I said they make mistakes but the mistake of a subscription OS is even to big of a mistake for even them.
    Everyone here who criticises the removal of the start button is well aware of the third party options and most likely uses one or the other. But that's not the point. The point is that it should not have been removed entirely, without any option of retaining the familiar, if one chose to do so.

    Don't believe for one moment that Microsoft wouldn't/couldn't consider a subscription model for the OS. Often these rumours are spread by companies themselves, much like governments do with potential policy changes, they go kite flying to gauge public response. If the response isn't overly negative, it's taken as meaning this is something that could be pursued in earnest. But if the response if very negative, then it's something to forget entirely.

    The point is, don't dismiss anything out of hand.
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  7. #27


    I like no start button. I have this on my taskbar and it takes me to start screen with a few regular program tiles.
    "Start" Screen Shortcut - Create in Windows 8




    Most of the time I use this for going to All apps instead because the tiles are smaller and alphabetical order. Type one or two letters for programs I don't use often.
    Which is much faster than
    "All Apps" Shortcut - Create in Windows 8




    Creating these 3 toolbars also keeps one from leaving the desktop so often. Credit to Brink.

    %ProgramData%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu

    %ProgramData%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

    %ProgramData%\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Windows Accessories
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  8. #28


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Then there is Chrome OS, a dark horse that should not be under-estimated in the least. In fact, Chrome OS could be the ultimate challenger to Microsoft's crown.
    As the web continues to get more advance, internet speed improves and they get more support I think it is possible. I know two things really holding them back is they do not support all plugins, it would be nice to see the Unity Web Engine come to chrome OS, And they need more mid level computers, right now they offer really low end hardware and high end but nothing in the middle.
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  9. #29


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    Chrome OS is a joke. What wants to use a $200-$1200 web browser? Ha ha. Ridiculous. Yep, that is going to work great on the bus or plane isn't it? Lol.
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  10. #30


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    Internet speeds I think are pretty much a dead issue for what most people want or need, other than those who have to download every TV show and movie on the planet. Yes, there are those who still have very poor service, but that's rapidly changing. And when you look at the growth of mobile internet, it seems that people are doing quite well with what is already available. And that's what Chrome OS is targeting.

    Mobile internet I think is the future, people do not want to be tied to a fixed line, but to be able to move about and use multiple devices wherever they go. I think Microsoft realises this and is why they are trying to bring together the fixed and mobile OS, but I also think that in doing so, they have thrown the baby out with the bath water. The desktop and the mobile can co-exist in a world where the internet is accessed wirelessly.
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