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Microsoft: That Windows 8 “New Coke” Analogy Is Silly

  1. #61


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    Quote Originally Posted by phillipduran View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sashlon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    I need to be able to see multiple windows at the same time. I can't do that with any Metro app.

    For instance a few weeks ago I was trying to extract travel details from a web page and create a Calendar item. Not being able to see both at once, but instead have to keep switching from one to another was hugely unproductive.

    I know there is such a thing as "Snap" but:
    (a) it doesn't give nearly enough control on the window size and shape (eg. I spend a lot of time looking at a few rows on a spreadsheet and another matching set of rows in a database at the same time, which means I need to arrange the windows horizontally rather than vertically) and
    (b) it doesn't work on my laptop anyway, even though the screen size is perfectly adequate for viewing multiple desktop windows, it hasn't enough horizontal pixels.
    Easily done:

    ModernMix™ - Run Modern (Metro) apps in a window on your desktop with ModernMix™

    This IS the new Windows.

    It's like a bad late night commercial is the new fix for all things Windows.

    All this too can be yours for just $19.99!!! Buy now and we'll throw in a start button for absolutely free!!!

    Why is it $2 - $5 for all things that are lacking in Windows.

    This is like pay for downloadable content being immediately available for full price games on release day. Kinda lame.

    Lol ok. This might even be correct, but you can hardly blame Microsoft for that. Everyone does it. There's no one forcing anyone to buy anything. I'm certainly not. I bought Start8, and feel like I wasted my cash because I never use it. Its just not needed.


    Choice is good though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    LOL, Jim. Let's look at this logically. As an American builder/contractor I have yet to install a window that was re-sizable. This is not an attribute of a window. In fact, I can think of no fixed real estate that is re-sizable. It's fixed just as much as your PC monitor screen. A window may be divided into panes, but even they cannot be re-sized. "Re-size-abilty" goes beyond what the name implies, for a window is not re-sizable. Now for the plural of "window" which is "windows" they continue to maintain that with snap and what I read of Blue there will be more snap options. Incidently this concept is called mulling windows. The center bar is called a mullion.
    But I'll bet that for every house that you install windows, the windows in no two houses are generally the same and even on the one house, there are likely to be many variations in the size of the windows. I've never lived in a house where every window is the same size and shape. In Microsoft's world, every window in every house would be exactly the same size and you wouldn't be able to open them either.
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  3. #63


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    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    The OS isn't perfect, and to me, yeah the Metro interface on the Desktop sucks, the hunt for this, hunt for that can be a pain as well. But, once you get past that, the OS isn't all that bad, and in some aspects better than 7, especially the new Windows Explorer.
    Yes I agree with this. Although the Modern/Metro UI is (IMO) pretty poor, under the hood there are some neat features in Windows 8.

    I went straight from XP to 8, so didn't know much about Windows 7. However I was using a Windows 7 laptop at work today and found myself missing features that I've used in Windows 8 (for what I wanted to do today, a Custom Refresh image would be ideal, for instance).

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I so happen to think everything will be written in the Modern interface eventually. It'll take years. Beside the snap problem, of which I always agreed it is a problem for some, what other problem could there be to be productive? I'm a switcher
    I think you're right, but I also believe there are a few fundamental things that need sorting in Modern. I don't like it as it is, but I wouldn't throw it away; I actually think it wouldn't take that many changes to make it good.

    Modern/Metro is the future and I can see that for many users a touchscreen would be beneficial, but it doesn't work for the things I need to do. I don't hold with the "just boot to desktop and ignore Metro" approach, because Microsoft is pushing developers to write their apps in Metro, and sooner or later there'll be one I want/need to use... and when that happens I'd like Metro to be usable in the ways I need to use Windows.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I'm a switcher
    The thing is there will always be a range of people who work best in different ways; one strength of Windows in the past has been its versatility. So Microsoft need to do something to keep the "switchers" like you happy, but also the "overlappers" like me who need to be able to open multiple resizeable windows.
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  4. #64


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    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    LOL, Jim. Let's look at this logically. As an American builder/contractor I have yet to install a window that was re-sizable. This is not an attribute of a window. In fact, I can think of no fixed real estate that is re-sizable. It's fixed just as much as your PC monitor screen. A window may be divided into panes, but even they cannot be re-sized. "Re-size-abilty" goes beyond what the name implies, for a window is not re-sizable. Now for the plural of "window" which is "windows" they continue to maintain that with snap and what I read of Blue there will be more snap options. Incidently this concept is called mulling windows. The center bar is called a mullion.
    But I'll bet that for every house that you install windows, the windows in no two houses are generally the same and even on the one house, there are likely to be many variations in the size of the windows. I've never lived in a house where every window is the same size and shape. In Microsoft's world, every window in every house would be exactly the same size and you wouldn't be able to open them either.
    I think that's a really odd and kind of misleading comment because windows in almost infinitely customisable and reconfigurable if you know what you're doing.
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    It seems like you've never opened an app in Windows 8.
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    Windows 8 Pro


    Been using it since Developer Preview
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  7. #67


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    You seriously don't understand sarcasm. So to make my previous comment easier to understand, how many Windows 8 apps can you open up at the same time and have then 'windowed' any way you like?
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  8. #68


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    Windows 8 Pro


    As many as I want. Easy if you know how. Check out the Stardock website.

    Also, I understand sarcasm very well. My stock response to it is to be obtuse. The thing you need to remember about sarcasm is its the lowest form of wit. I just reminded my 13yo about this yesterday.
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  9. #69


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    MS are relying on 3rd parties to fix their UI.

    We will see what they come up with in 8.1

    They will have been faffing with the metro stuff, no doubt. Hard to tell what they have done for the potential customers with no interest in metro.

    It is important for MS to push the metro stuff hard. Metro is there to get the users into MS services before Google gobbles them all up.
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    Again I have to ask, why is it so difficult for some to understand the general criticism about the removal of the 'native' start button and start to desktop? Yes, we know that all of that can be returned with third party programs, but that's not the point. Some may call sarcasm the lowest form of wit, but it is still unfathomable by the witless.
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