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Microsoft: That Windows 8 “New Coke” Analogy Is Silly

  1. #31


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Cokie will tell you it is for all users. Built around people. You can do everything. No compromises.
    Exactly.

    It isn't meant for the very small minority that use Linux, do not care about anything new other than feature set, or for people who seem to not even know anything about customizing/personalizing/tweaking.

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  2. #32


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    Windows 8 Professional


    Quote Originally Posted by sashlon View Post
    Well, I doubt it.

    CrApple's share of the pc market is actually pretty small. It'll stay small while they keep overcharging and gouging prices. People don't want to pay an 'Apple Tax' on their computer.
    Yes we do. While I have 3 windows machines in the house; we also have 2 MBP and a Mac mini.. Not to mention an iPhone and 3 iPads.

    Not everybody in the us is poor nor do we think Apple products are over priced.

    I buy my pcs knowing they're disposable, replaced yearly, and I buy my apple products knowing they'll last and perform well for years.
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  3. #33


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    Windows 8 Core x64


    Quote Originally Posted by SpyderBite View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sashlon View Post
    Well, I doubt it.

    CrApple's share of the pc market is actually pretty small. It'll stay small while they keep overcharging and gouging prices. People don't want to pay an 'Apple Tax' on their computer.
    Yes we do. While I have 3 windows machines in the house; we also have 2 MBP and a Mac mini.. Not to mention an iPhone and 3 iPads.

    Not everybody in the us is poor nor do we think Apple products are over priced.

    I buy my pcs knowing they're disposable, replaced yearly, and I buy my apple products knowing they'll last and perform well for years.
    Quite right.

    I still use my iMac 2010 daily but I've went through 3 PC since 2010.
    But then again, I don't use my PC for the same thing than my iMac. I use my iMac mostly for productivity and web design. My PC is used for 3D rendering, video encoding and software dev. I have to say the iMac as a way better display than any LCD monitor I've bought for my PCs. Something about the glass giving better contrast and more vibrant colors. But I'm saving my money to get myself a brand new Dell Ultrasharp 30".

    What is making it hard for me to do the same thing on the Mac that I do on my PC is the fact that the iMac uses mobile grade GPU and has no expandability beside the ram. I would have to go the PowerMac route, but those are built on yesterday hardware and cost more than my car is worth. Beside I don't really need a Xeon processor since most of my rendering and encoding is CUDA based.
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  4. #34


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    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by sashlon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sashlon View Post
    What cant you do?
    I need to be able to see multiple windows at the same time. I can't do that with any Metro app.
    Easily done:

    ModernMix™ - Run Modern (Metro) apps in a window on your desktop with ModernMix™
    The ModernMix folks are to be applauded for doing this.

    But the ability to display everything in Windows should be core functionality in a product called "Windows".

    We shouldn't have to pay extra or rely on software that may break with the next update.
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  5. #35


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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by sashlon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sashlon View Post
    Well, last I checked, Classic Shell or Start 8 and quite a few other programs offer that, so what's the big deal?


    You must work for MS...

    Did you actually READ my entire recent post?

    I do NOT want to use a third party application for critical and basic interface issues. This just adds the potential for problems.
    I work at a school helping kids with learning problems, so no, I don't work for MS.

    If a 3rd party program is reputable and works well I see no issue. I have used 3rd party solutions for what I consider to be very important things for years. Have had zero problems. This is a manufactured issue.

    The solution is right there and you people don't want it. Well, I think that makes you whiners. If MS 'fixed it' , you'd all just find something else to get cut up about.

    Some people just like complaining I guess.
    Agreed, some of the vitriol is a bit manufactured due to it being Microsoft. And yeah, if not that, than something else.

    That being said, I do have to agree that the removed start menu button is a big kicker, and pain in the arse for many users.
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  6. #36


    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Microsoft: That Windows 8 “New Coke” Analogy Is Silly

    Microsoft says= automatic dismissal.
    Yes, 'serious' users seem to have been abandoned in order to cater to content-consumers, the computer-illiterate, kids, and the 'fashionistas'.

    Things aren't looking good for the 'serious' power-user, and that's a real shame. Their loss will be regretted.
    That's funny. Whatever I did in 7 I can do in 8. I have a building blueprint (usually PDF), an Excel workbook, a Word file, a labor estimating guide, Notepad, calculator, and a browser with 2 to 3 tabs going. I'll have music or news going as well.
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  7. #37


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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post


    Microsoft says= automatic dismissal.
    Yes, 'serious' users seem to have been abandoned in order to cater to content-consumers, the computer-illiterate, kids, and the 'fashionistas'.

    Things aren't looking good for the 'serious' power-user, and that's a real shame. Their loss will be regretted.
    That's funny. Whatever I did in 7 I can do in 8. I have a building blueprint (usually PDF), an Excel workbook, a Word file, a labor estimating guide, Notepad, calculator, and a browser with 2 to 3 tabs going. I'll have music or news going as well.
    Obviously some haven't actually "used" Windows 8, if they did they would realize outside the "metro" interface, things really haven't changed that much from 7.

    As for "power Users" - that word seems to be thrown around a lot without really understanding what "Power User" is. When I think of Power Users, I think of server editions of Windows.

    BTW the "Administrative Tools" (for the power users) is still there in Windows 8 - Win Key + C to bring up the Charm Bar, click Search, type "control" in Search bar, left side click "Control Panel", than click "Administrative Tools". Took all of a second and a half. In fact it takes longer the read this than to actually get to the admin tools

    Point - it's not as bad as some are making it to be. And Search works really well.

    Yes, I realize you could access it quicker from a desktop with a Start Button, but... really???

    To me, the biggest issue is the massive change Microsoft did with the UI, which does take some getting used to. The other issue is the in your face tiles, which I personally dislike. But, again, get past that, and it's not really much different from 7.

    My two cents.
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  8. #38


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Whatever Windows 7 could do, Windows 8 does better. That should be the tagline for 8.

    File Explorer for example, I have no idea what I'm doing now with Windows 7 when trying to search for a misplaced video file that was downloaded. You have to right click and use the context menu just to change sorting options, or use the Organize drop down menu to open the Folder Properties dialog box to show hidden files and folders. In Windows 8, this is literally just a couple of clicks on the Ribbon.

    Hard drive issue detecting is basically not there in 7. In 8, it ACTUALLY warns the user of hard disk errors through Action Center. Action Center in 8 is of genuine use whereas 7, it just alerts you from time to time about anti virus not being on or some such. In 8, it alerts you to EVERYTHING.

    Essentially, what you can do in Windows 8, you kind of can do in 7, except you need A LOT of third party input to accomplish. In 8, that's just all neatly slipstreamed natively into the system.
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  9. #39


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    It is clear the general public aren't going for it in big numbers.

    People on forums posting how once you get past the metro rubbish it is like 7, or even worse, blaming the public for being lazy - pointless.

    A lot of people don't like a particular type of ice cream . The end.

    Why tell them they must get used to it - or tell them to force themselves and some of them may eventually grow to like it- or cover it with chocolate sauce and it won't be so bad - that is crazy.

    They don't like it. Period.
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  10. #40


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    Viewing through Windows 7, me like-a-discuss 8 though


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Whatever Windows 7 could do, Windows 8 does better.
    Me make-a think more honest ad campaign equality for all and prejudice to none, aim for high star way up there like make-a proud citizen of globe:

    "Whatever Windows 7 could do, it no have need to make-a interfere on it by Windows 8 other screen and please make-a Aero return to festive joy."
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