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Frank Shaw (MS) Staying centered

  1. #21


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    I have already learned that I should stay out from these discussions, but let me just say this: Of all "regular users" I have talked or shown Windows 8, at least four fifths are and have been very positive about it, about a half has made switch to Eight straight away and a surprisingly great number of those have later sent a message or called telling how nice it is.

    My almost computer illiterate family members and friends are also a good example. Take my wife, who after a few extra lessons on how to use her Hotmail account on the IE10 app found out everything else on her own. My neighbors wife asked why is it that first now Windows has become so easy everyone can use it, talking about Start Screen. I even have a number of converts, Mac to Eight telling how Windows is finally nice to use.

    As I do not know it for sure, I can only guess that some of the positive feedback me and my colleagues are getting is because when we tell and show Windows 8, we do not accompany presentation with "BTW, it sucks", "Trust me, I am a pro, it's not good for you", "Worst OS ever" and such statements. Instead we show how easy it is to use and customize as you want to, that you can run any app and program you had on Seven etc.

    Always amusing to read these threads. "Absolutely nobody want to use it even if free", "Nobody likes it", "Everybody hates it", "No business will ever use it" and so on. Statements like this presented as facts!

    I know I will receive my usual share of negative feedback again but honestly, I do not care. And this all for what? Start Screen which can be bypassed and one missing button which can be brought back.

    I do not repost my earlier posts often, in fact I am not sure if I have ever done it, but now I want to post what I wrote a few weeks back in another thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    This about how many clicks it takes to restart is once again one of those small shameless lies used to negate and bash Windows 8. By default it takes 3 clicks to restart Windows 7 and 3 clicks to restart Windows 8, two if you do Win + I first.

    Before someone responses that "But in Windows 8 before you can make the first of those three clicks you must bring the pointer to the corner to open charms!", I just want to remind you that in Windows 7 you have to bring the pointer to a corner to be able to click Start.

    I have not joined these discussions as I find it useless, like this well know imaginary gentleman from La Mancha fighting the windmills. Is there something wrong in me because I find Windows 8 both nice, fast and easy to use? Please keep in mind I have no touch screen devices except the mobile phone. No, I am talking about Windows 8 on a normal laptop or desktop. Also, I am not talking as a normal home user who needs PC and Windows only to surf the net, email and games. No, I am talking about my use of Windows 8 both as a heavy duty geek in private life and professional use of Windows 8 working in a company which among other things is developing tailor made Windows 8 in a stick (Windows ToGo) systems for business use.

    It is so extremely easy to find anything on my PC now with Windows 8. For newbies I recommend you try to learn to use Win + Q, Win + W and Win + F keyboard shortcuts and learn their difference, and you have no more need to desperately seek your hard disks. Basically Windows 8 is nothing else than a revamped Seven; not counting the Start button, everything else is there. It runs same software PLUS additional Windows Apps, it can mount an ISO image natively, first time in PC history a normal OS includes an advanced virtualization platform with no additional cost (Hyper-V, available in Pro and Enterprise).

    It is funny to read these comments about how a feature should be natively included in Windows 8, that it is a failure because this or that feature is only available through a third party tool. Most often these comments come from users who have Windows 7 filled with third party tools, Daemon or similar to mount ISOs, Rocketdock to get "nicer" buttons, Rainmeter skins because they are not happy with the default Windows themes, and so on.

    I am 54 years old. I've done this all my adult life. I left the world of Windows mid 90's for Unix and Linux as I needed something Windows was not capable to give me. Windows XP brought my interest back, Seven took me totally back to Windows and Eight confirmed it: Windows is my operating system. Flexible, easy, fast, reliable.

    Thank you Microsoft.

    Kari
    I've had that happen too. Some friends on facebook have messaged me on how they love Windows 8, a couple actually said that about Office 2013 too!

    Personally I find this whole "no start menu" to be manufactured issue by the Linux/IT user base who care less about UI changes obviously than they do feature set changes. Even some people here who do not like Windows 8 will complain about the Unity interface on Ubuntu, even though Unity is BY FAR so insignificant compared to Windows 8....

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  2. #22


    Posts : 138
    Windows 8 Pro


    ^ Truth
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  3. #23


    South Coast NSW, Australia
    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Well, I have no real issues with Windows 8 itself.

    No, I don't like how it looks and operates 'out-of-the-box', but I have enough knowledge to get around that. I've been modifying
    and customising my installs since Windows 3.1, so there's no biggie there.

    The addition of Classic Start (which I don't use often), the replacement of Desktop Gadgets, and the addition of a Start Screen
    customiser, and I'm good to go. All I want now is the return of Aero in full. I can live with the few 'niggles' Win 8 has, because I
    do value the actual, under-the-hood improvements (which seem to have been all but overlooked in the 'Metro Hate-Frenzy'.

    No, it's this 'vision' of Microsoft's that's got me off-side. I do not share their view of the direction computing is headed, and will
    avoid going there, whatever it takes. I have less than no interest in cloud-based computing or storage, or subscription-based
    software.

    Consuming content on a small mobile device is NOT computing, it never was, and it never will be, in my estimation. It doesn't
    make you a 'computer' operator, any more than watching Game of Thrones makes you a TV producer.

    In closing.- Lovely OS, iffy interface, lousy vision.

    Wenda.
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  4. #24


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Personally I find this whole "no start menu" to be manufactured issue by the Linux/IT user base who care less about UI changes obviously than they do feature set changes.
    That makes no sense.
    The GUI changes are what p***** people off (even Linus Torvalds).

    A lot of people swapped to Linux Mint after Ubuntu introduced Unity (a GUI change).
    GNOME3 didn't help either, with its stupid disembodied menus (another GUI change).

    The difference with Linux distros is that if you hate the default GUI, you just install a different one.
    Another option is to swap to a different distro.

    The so-called "L33T" Linux users use the Terminal anyway, so GUI changes don't bother them.
    I doubt that many (if any) of them use Ubuntu in any case.
    They're more likely to be using Arch, Fedora or some more obscure distro(s).

    I suspect that most Linux Server Administrators use the Terminal too.
    That's how we were trained (that way you aren't screwed when some joker changes the GUI and/or GUI tools).

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Even some people here who do not like Windows 8 will complain about the Unity interface on Ubuntu, even though Unity is BY FAR so insignificant compared to Windows 8....
    Unity removed the browsable categorised menus.

    If you want to find something that isn't on the Unity bar, you have to search for it (by typing its name or guessing the keyword).

    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    I can live with the few 'niggles' Win 8 has, because I do value the actual, under-the-hood improvements (which seem to have been all but overlooked in the 'Metro Hate-Frenzy'.
    People won't find out about those, if they can't force themselves to run W8.
    Last edited by lehnerus2000; 13 May 2013 at 20:37.
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  5. #25


    Posts : 154
    Win7


    No one seems to pause to take account that Windows 7 is a perfect operating system.

    I saw it at MVP Summit where I got nothing but blank faces and shrugs when I'd mention it.

    I don't think they really even realize it, but the consumers do. It's become more than just a worthy successor to XP. Win7 makes productivity effortless, not an obstacle course like 8 which belongs on touch devices, period. Seven's sales are booming keeping them secure in their jobs in spite of 8's initial failure.

    There is no successor in sight for 7, which shows not the slightest sign of age. It needs a SP2 with some of 8's Explorer improvements, but none of the crApps or ugly. Seven is elegant.

    Seven's home on the web SevenForums is by far the top tech forums online, eclipsing MS Forums since 7 beta. The key install and repair fixes and workarounds were developed there before RTM, many by SIW2.
    Last edited by gregrocker; 13 May 2013 at 11:47.
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  6. #26


    Posts : 65
    Viewing through Windows 7, me like-a-discuss 8 though


    Quote Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
    No one seems to pause to take account that Windows 7 is a perfect operating system.
    Many, many thing in life no perfect. Just saying "perfect" make-laugh at you, but no in this case.

    7 is make-me perfect happy, but 8 make-a me go like-a too much green plant found way to brain place in head and now me want to come down.
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