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Microsoft on Windows 8 Haters: We Could See This Coming

  1. #31


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    I want a start button and menu coded by Microsoft so I know it is right without having to worry about using a 3rd party software. Does this make me a hater? I am using W8 on two laptops now and for me the button and menu is all that is missing to make W8 a top notch OS. The tile interface is worthless on a mini with 1024 X 600 resolution because it doesn't meet the resolution requirement of 1024 X 768 minimum. Tossing that out, W8 flies on a mini as compared to W7.

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  2. #32


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    Some loopy ones will think you a hater. Ignore them .

    There is a poll if you want to have a go.

    Me make-a poll about Start button
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  3. #33


    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Again, I don't like having a Start button on the Taskbar because UI design wise, when you will snap an app in Windows 8.1 50/50 mode, your precious Start button is now moved halfway over to the screen.
    Only if MS choose to make Snap work in that way.

    Somewhere there was a story quoting Microsoft saying that their telemetry said people don't use the Start button but use the Taskbar instead. But then they produce a Metro design with no Taskbar.
    Designing the Start screen

    I actually think the Taskbar is a very useful navigation device - you can see all the apps you have running; especially useful when you click on an image file and get swept into a full-screen Photo viewer with no visible way back.

    So why not put the Taskbar in Metro as well as Desktop? It could be set (as now in Desktop) to auto-hide for people who don't need or want it.
    When we think about it, do we not have 5 rows of Taskbars on the Start Screen? We can shuffle the tiles around as we see fit just like icons on the Taskbar. I can see all the apps I have open including the desktop via slide-out "Open apps/programs Bar".

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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    The "Open apps/programs Bar" that slides out from the left is very similar to an auto-hide taskbar with open apps/programs on it. Perhaps in Blue they'll make it an option to keep it on top so that some are secure that it's there or even better yet > know that it's there.
    Oh I knew that was there. However it's pretty hopeless compared to the Taskbar in Windows 7 as a way of navigating the system, especially for newbies.

    In Windows 7 the taskbar is always visible (unless you decide to hide it, or open a full screen app, which you can get out of with the Esc key) and shows you all applications running on the PC. You can also "pin" your favourite programs to it so you can access them quickly.
    In Windows 8 if you think of the bar on the left as a Taskbar:
    •You have two taskbars.
    •Taskbar A is only visible in Desktop mode.
    •Taskbar B is only visible if you have certain types of applications running and if you click on a few magic pixels or remember the magic keyboard shortcut (I assume there is one).
    Neither taskbar will show you all the apps you have running on the computer.
    •You can't pin favourite apps to the new taskbar (remember this was the justification for removing the Start button)
    Bolded ???

    /Tab shuffles through the "Open apps/programs Bar".

    I never said it was a Taskbar. I said it was very similar. Actually the rows of the Start Screen along with the slide-out "Open apps/programs Bar" is the new Taskbar. All Apps is the new Start Menu.

    For the user in Outlook who clicks on an image in an email and ends up in the Metro Photo viewer, it's really not intuitive to work out how to get back. It was so much simpler in Windows 7.
    Hit or slide out the "Open apps/programs Bar" and pick where you were. You had to go back in past OSs after the pic program was open. So this is a little different using the slide-out "Open apps/programs Bar". You know? That new navigational tool?

    This "unintuitive" or "not intuitive" concept brought up awhile back. What is that? ["This is so different that I'm having a difficult time adjusting to it"?] Is that what it is?
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  4. #34


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    It is odd.

    I don't recall that kind of thing with earlier windows versions. Something to do with the little squares perhaps.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    There must be some subliminal imaging in Windows 8 that affects some into the utmost subservience. There can be no other explanation as to why some bow down to Windows 8 with such reverence.
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  5. #35


    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    Perhaps it will take you to All Apps screen, which is actually the new Start Menu, not the Start Screen. So it's not missing.

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    SURE it is! That's not a USABLE, easy to get to interface! Can that be arranged according to how you want it?

    I am old fashioned and I liked the Windows 8 Start Menu that expanded out, I would make it only show the last ting I picked. But the point was, there were about 3 different ways to show it- But starting in Windows 7, they crammed it all into the corner, harder to get to. Perhaps with the desire to remove the unsightly thing? I just like Expandable Program Menus, they took it out of Ubuntu as well, starting in 10!
    Easier to get to any one of the programs than a "cascading" menu. I don't have to keep clicking to cascade. It's all there in alphabetical order in alphabetical groups. BTW, just like a cascading menu.

    Actually the fastest way in both systems is to hit and start typing. Usually one or two letters does the job to find, then press Enter.

    I don't know much about Ubuntu, but it reinforces that the cascading menu is not efficient, especially for touch.
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  6. #36


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    Yes, Ubuntu has Dash.

    I blame Canonical - 8 start menu followed.

    At least with ubuntu the dash is either desktop size, or full screen according to preference.

    There are only the executable links - you don't get a ton of stuff in there when you install linux programs.

    You can also install another UI easily - Cinnamon UI is installable from the software centre.

    It works much better in ubuntu.
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  7. #37


    Quote Originally Posted by mick823 View Post
    I want a start button and menu coded by Microsoft so I know it is right without having to worry about using a 3rd party software. Does this make me a hater? I am using W8 on two laptops now and for me the button and menu is all that is missing to make W8 a top notch OS. The tile interface is worthless on a mini with 1024 X 600 resolution because it doesn't meet the resolution requirement of 1024 X 768 minimum. Tossing that out, W8 flies on a mini as compared to W7.
    "Hate" and/or "hater" is a strong word. I don't like them myself. But you do dislike it for what it is I can see.
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  8. #38


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    There must be some subliminal imaging in Windows 8 that affects some into the utmost subservience. There can be no other explanation as to why some bow down to Windows 8 with such reverence.
    OR why others feel forced into saving those who accept 8 as it is, for what is, a Microsoft program. There is no utmost subservience . Some of us realize we need to use alternatives to the start button and do so without whining the next 7 months about it. So what if it is 3rd party or from Brinks tutorials, pick something and be happy for a day.
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  9. #39


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    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    There must be some subliminal imaging in Windows 8 that affects some into the utmost subservience. There can be no other explanation as to why some bow down to Windows 8 with such reverence.
    OR why others feel forced into saving those who accept 8 as it is, for what is, a Microsoft program. There is no utmost subservience . Some of us realize we need to use alternatives to the start button and do so without whining the next 7 months about it. So what if it is 3rd party or from Brinks tutorials, pick something and be happy for a day.
    But why the constant vitriol towards those who simply want the ability to implement an interface that they prefer, an interface that is easily doable, if Microsoft was amenable?
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  10. #40


    New Zealand
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    But why the constant vitriol towards those
    My theory is it is confirmation bias.

    Confirmation Bias and Post-Purchase Dissonance | MEDIATHINK

    I have noticed that people who do not like metro attack the product. The fans of the interface attack their opponents. Calling them Whiners, haters, afraid of change. To lazy to make one little click to get to the desktop and so on.
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